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    What are you talking about ... the clip was found by another one of Master Jone's students and sent to grand master Parham. I never saw the site until I saw it on the Comba-Tai board.
    You said you never watched the clip. Yet, you comment on his lack of skill, his size and his health. So, you are lying about not watching the video. I don't care what site you saw it on nor do I care, who found the link.

    You watched that video.

    Notice the highlighted part is you claiming you never saw the clip.
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    Dr. Jones, or whoever wrote the following piece at Wikipedia, says American Tradition Supremacists should love Comba-Tai:

    "The vision of Comba-Tai is to give person, regardless of race creed or color, a positive image of their future through purpose, i.e., “To use the warrior greatness they have inside to be a blessing to everyone they meet.” This idea leaves no room for blaming someone else for your predicament in life, but it promotes the development of an entrepreneurial mentality. This tuff and determined philosophy breeds the notion, “If I cannot find a way, I will make one … I will not give up until I succeed.” Perhaps it should be said that Comba-Tai (The Grand Struggle) is an American tradition."
    Link to Wikipedia Reference Desk from December with information on Comba-Tai in America

    This is interesting, although it's a minor thing--I wonder who wrote it? It switches back and forth between 3rd person and 1st person as Alonzo Jones.

    "Alonzo M. Jones called the cultural tradition handed down to him by his grandfather, Samuel Adams Jones, Comba-Tai. While in South Central Las Angeles and while serving in the military, Alonzo M. Jones studied Kempo, Capoera, Judo, Arnis, Kickboxing, GoJu and USA Boxing; hence many features of Comba-Tai are African and Asian; consequently Jones refers to Comba-Tai by the linguistic term, Afro-Asiatic."

    "At the time, Comba-Tai was passed on to Jones by his grandfather, Dr. S.A. Jones . . ."

    "Dr. Jones says, “I began teaching Comba-Tai free of charge because . . ."

    "Comba-Tai is said to be the oldest martial art with an unbroken 6,000 year old lineage. Actually “6,000 years” was simply a theory that attempted to show the origin and evolution of martial arts in general and Comba-Tai in particular, as it related to the stories and teachings of Dr. S.A. Jones. As far as a 6,000 year old lineage is concerned, you can check at the end of a paper written by Dr. Jones http://www.blacfoundation.org/comba-tai.pdf. The principle figures here that I used to piece the Comba-Tai lineage is Menes (1st Dynasty Pharaoh), Piye (25th Dynasty Pharaoh) Ezana (King of Axum of Ethiopia) who he believed were indigenous Africans . I further sought to connect Comba-Tai lineage to the arrival of the Knights of Saint Anthony, Ras Yakob (James Marshal) and Bitwoded Gerogis Waran (George Warren), and their family that arrived in the America’s during the Ethiopian Dynastic wars (Zamana Masafent). The Knights of Saint Anthony are also known as the “Royal Order of the Sword and Shield.” Alonzo M. Jones was inducted into the “Order of the Sword and Shield,” at 16. Subsequently every, Combat Specialist/Knight of Comba-Tai has been inducted into this order after he/she is proven worthy through a grueling test that unveils his/her mental, physical and spiritual skills.

    It is true that much of Comba-Tai is based on Oral tradition and my own research using minimal resources (as mentioned in the paper), so to date there is no “dogmatic code of belief” on its ancient historic origins. Moreover, piecing oral tradition to, Gezirah el malik (the wrestling and striking system taught to me by my grandfather) has proven difficult. (Dr. Rev. S.A. Jones, died in 1993 at 98.)

    In 1983 in the republic of the Philippines I gave the warrior system I continued to develop from my grandfather, Comba-Tai, which translates Grand Struggle. Originally in 1994 I wrote a paper called “Warriors of Antiquity, The Monogenesis of the Human Race.” In his paper I sought to tie the origins of man to the origins of martial art which I believe can be traced back at least 6,000 years as well. I attempted to show this through the Medjay, all mankind had a common origin. I thought my agenda was obvious; it was simply to demonstrate through “world warrior history” that all humans alive had a common origin and therefore should have a common goal of peace and good will to each other regardless of race. Currently, “The World Combat Academy,” is trying to employ additional researchers to help publish an accurate and complete account of the Comba-Tai history by the summer of 2006. So Stand by!

    However, I will say in the mean time, “Our ancient history will never be as important as what we are doing now.”



    Either Alonzo Jones wrote the whole thing, or whoever wrote it quoted him extensively without using quotation marks. It's odd. It's a minor thing, but it seems every time I turn around I find evidence that Dr. Jones writes as other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
    Mantis, what site do you think you're talking about? You've been a member of this site since July of 2005. That's what the date next to your name means. If you don't look around and see what's here, that's your choice. Your tunnel vision in posting 194 posts, all apparently for the purpose of derailing this thread, is not my problem or my responsibility. I hid absolutely nothing from you or from Parham or Jones.
    You aren't very good at this.

    Yes I have been a member of this site since July 2005, but I didn't know you. Moreover, I've never posted or even visited another thread on Bullshido. If you don't believe me ask the administrators. You did hide who you were and you hid your intentions and your skills to imply you were something that you were not and that is the truth. As an internet warrior you can give the tone that you are Bill Wallace, who would know? You knew what you were doing! Shameful!

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    « Reply #33 on Jan 5, 2007, 10:20pm »

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    Don,

    Is this a video of you sparring?

    http://www.bullshido.net/gallery/sho...php/photo/2318




    Based on your lack of knowledge of martial arts, people couldn’t believe you were a real martial artist. But you were speaking as though you understood fighting and training. Everyone thought you were just making mistakes. So someone found this (above), I will not say who found it, but it wasn’t me. I was surprised as well that someone who could not fight their way out of a jelly sandwich had the audacity to instruct professional fighters on what was “Early Birds.” …How deplorably dishonest…say what you want, but you were not talking to me.

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    « Thread Started on Jan 1, 2007, 10:45pm »

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    I'm intrigued by Comba-Tai; the idea of combining boxing, wrestling and judo makes a lot of sense, and if you were doing it in the 1980's that makes you pretty early birds!






    But Ok, weasel your way out of it. I guess we could argue about it, but let's not, I will post my peace on this thread tonight. You should have everything by 9:30 or 10:00 p.m. That is when I finish work.

    Let him write his Dam report, but know that everyone believes he is doing traditional Organizations a great disservice to put his fraudulent opinion out there about us. Allowing someone as unqualified as he is to have power to degrade a traditional martial art is perhaps the new internet warrior way. After all you have not had to earn the right through hard work and dedication to pass your opinion. You've maliciously spit on those who have been disciplined enough to ... OK, I'll stop here...what is the point in reasoning?

    Stay tuned for my post, then you can say what ever you want from here on…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
    Dr. Jones, or whoever wrote the following piece at Wikipedia, says American Tradition Supremacists should love Comba-Tai:



    Link to Wikipedia Reference Desk from December with information on Comba-Tai in America

    This is interesting, although it's a minor thing--I wonder who wrote it? It switches back and forth between 3rd person and 1st person as Alonzo Jones.

    "Alonzo M. Jones called the cultural tradition handed down to him by his grandfather, Samuel Adams Jones, Comba-Tai. While in South Central Las Angeles and while serving in the military, Alonzo M. Jones studied Kempo, Capoera, Judo, Arnis, Kickboxing, GoJu and USA Boxing; hence many features of Comba-Tai are African and Asian; consequently Jones refers to Comba-Tai by the linguistic term, Afro-Asiatic."

    "At the time, Comba-Tai was passed on to Jones by his grandfather, Dr. S.A. Jones . . ."

    "Dr. Jones says, “I began teaching Comba-Tai free of charge because . . ."

    "Comba-Tai is said to be the oldest martial art with an unbroken 6,000 year old lineage. Actually “6,000 years” was simply a theory that attempted to show the origin and evolution of martial arts in general and Comba-Tai in particular, as it related to the stories and teachings of Dr. S.A. Jones. As far as a 6,000 year old lineage is concerned, you can check at the end of a paper written by Dr. Jones http://www.blacfoundation.org/comba-tai.pdf. The principle figures here that I used to piece the Comba-Tai lineage is Menes (1st Dynasty Pharaoh), Piye (25th Dynasty Pharaoh) Ezana (King of Axum of Ethiopia) who he believed were indigenous Africans . I further sought to connect Comba-Tai lineage to the arrival of the Knights of Saint Anthony, Ras Yakob (James Marshal) and Bitwoded Gerogis Waran (George Warren), and their family that arrived in the America’s during the Ethiopian Dynastic wars (Zamana Masafent). The Knights of Saint Anthony are also known as the “Royal Order of the Sword and Shield.” Alonzo M. Jones was inducted into the “Order of the Sword and Shield,” at 16. Subsequently every, Combat Specialist/Knight of Comba-Tai has been inducted into this order after he/she is proven worthy through a grueling test that unveils his/her mental, physical and spiritual skills.

    It is true that much of Comba-Tai is based on Oral tradition and my own research using minimal resources (as mentioned in the paper), so to date there is no “dogmatic code of belief” on its ancient historic origins. Moreover, piecing oral tradition to, Gezirah el malik (the wrestling and striking system taught to me by my grandfather) has proven difficult. (Dr. Rev. S.A. Jones, died in 1993 at 98.)

    In 1983 in the republic of the Philippines I gave the warrior system I continued to develop from my grandfather, Comba-Tai, which translates Grand Struggle. Originally in 1994 I wrote a paper called “Warriors of Antiquity, The Monogenesis of the Human Race.” In his paper I sought to tie the origins of man to the origins of martial art which I believe can be traced back at least 6,000 years as well. I attempted to show this through the Medjay, all mankind had a common origin. I thought my agenda was obvious; it was simply to demonstrate through “world warrior history” that all humans alive had a common origin and therefore should have a common goal of peace and good will to each other regardless of race. Currently, “The World Combat Academy,” is trying to employ additional researchers to help publish an accurate and complete account of the Comba-Tai history by the summer of 2006. So Stand by!

    However, I will say in the mean time, “Our ancient history will never be as important as what we are doing now.”



    Either Alonzo Jones wrote the whole thing, or whoever wrote it quoted him extensively without using quotation marks. It's odd. It's a minor thing, but it seems every time I turn around I find evidence that Dr. Jones writes as other people.
    You are a joke ... Can anyone say cut and paste...
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake??
    You said you never watched the clip. Yet, you comment on his lack of skill, his size and his health. So, you are lying about not watching the video. I don't care what site you saw it on nor do I care, who found the link.

    You watched that video.

    Notice the highlighted part is you claiming you never saw the clip.
    The context was this ... I did not see the video until after Don begin to post as a world class something or other. You lost the point long ago. :angry7:
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    It would be a great injustice to the families, friends, and students of Comba-Tai for us to allow Don to evaluate Comba-Tai. He is obviously not an impartial evaluator. I will argue this tonight fully as I have not had time to do it until now. His slanderous comments against Dr. Jones students for honoring the selfless work of their instructor shows his Agenda. I think it is important that we first evaluate the
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    The worship of Dr. Jones is your misguide, myopic, and biased opinion … but I think I’ve already demonstrated that your opinion is biased based in part on your hidden agenda. The student testimonial of Dr. Jones sending 13 attackers to the hospital was accurate. But most of these attackers whet to the hospital in police vehicles. But you knew this! The student that mentioned this was an onsite medic at the hospital where Jones was seen. I will write more on this tonight.
    So you can provide us with a full, unredacted police report documenting this incident? That would be quite special.
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    The context was this ... I did not see the video until after Don begin to post as a world class something or other. You lost the point long ago. :angry7:

    WOW ... where and when did Don pretend to be a "world class something or other " ? I think you are flat out telling a lie trying to discredit Don by casting doubt on his character , which is commonly called , poisoning the well , again might I add without producing a shred of proof . Which is only making you look like an ignorant and spiteful child .

    Training @ a GJJ school will make sure you are aware of your actual skill level , so does harder contact sparing out side of your school and chosen art . All of which Don does or has done . I find it highly unlikely he would make any claim @ MA greatness ( except maybe knowledge , knowing and doing are completely different things ... which he knows as well ) .


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    The context was this ... I did not see the video until after Don begin to post as a world class something or other. You lost the point long ago. :angry7:
    Obviously, you don't no what "context" means.
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    So you can provide us with a full, unredacted police report documenting this incident? That would be quite special.
    I have some info on this that I can share.

    You are not getting a police report ... they don’t want to put the names of those young men out there that made a mistake. They paid for their mistake. But if you want to call someone, why don't you contact the Air Force Physicians who attended Dr. Jones at the 61t Medical Squadron at LAAFB. Not only would they have seen the report, but they would have been involved in the court case. The instructor who told the story was one of the attending medics as well. By the way the three physicians can be contacted on the Air Force World Wide locator.
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    I have some info on this that I can share.

    You are not getting a police report ... they don’t want to put the names of those young men out there that made a mistake. They paid for their mistake. But if you want to call someone, why don't you contact the Air Force Physicians who attended Dr. Jones at the 61t Medical Squadron at LAAFB. Not only would they have seen the report, but they would have been involved in the court case. The instructor who told the story was one of the attending medics as well. By the way the three physicians can be contacted on the Air Force World Wide locator.
    So, no proof as usual. Interesting, I bet they were all conveniently minors right?

    That will be the next back track.
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