Kyokushin vs other arts

**Holy Moment** · Posted On: 9/27/2009 9:45pm

I was watching the Kyokushin vs. Wing Chun video, and it got me wondering how often fighters from different styles try their hand at Kyokushin-style tournaments.

YouTube - Gilbert (Kyokushinkai Karate) vs Pencak silat

YouTube - kyokushinkai vs ju jitsu (stand up rules rules)

MMA
YouTube - Kyokushin vs Taekwondo

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 12:00am

Since most KK tournies have the no head shot rules (some now allow, but "mainstream" KK doesn't) most other hard sparring stylists avoid them. Getting your ribs punched in and your head taken off by kicks doesn't appeal to many. And since KK tournies are full contact most semi-hard or point types avoid them. KK people though have trained and fought in MT in Thailand and of course been a big factor in K1 - kickboxing was actually started by KK guys who wanted to allow head shots, so they changed the rule set.

**Grizzly216** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 3:42am

The Kyokushin fighters are clever enough to only fight at Kyokushin rules.
Smart, because that's what they are best at and that's how they are trained.
They play their own game.

The opponents repeat the same mistake each time again. They play a game that they are not trained for.
A Jiu-Jitsu practitioner who leaves out grappling and only uses punches and kicks, leaves out about 50% of his style, not a smart move.

Same goes for the Pencak Silat guy, he doesn't use 100% of his style and puts himself at a huge disadvantage.

Is there a video of a Kyokushin fighter, who fights against others styles in a match where punching the head is allowed?
Because that is one thing that most Kyokushin fighters are not used to.
Though the kicks to the head are impressive and have the ability to take you out right away, it still is less difficult to avoid or dodge these kicks, whereas punches are more difficult to cover.

I would like to see matches of Kyokushin fighters who fight with punches to the head, against other stylists who use 100% of their style.

Though I must say that these Kyokushin fighters are never easy opponents.

Grizzly216

**kolsyrade** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 4:23am

Originally Posted by Grizzly216

The Kyokushin fighters are clever enough to only fight at Kyokushin rules.
Smart, because that's what they are best at and that's how they are trained.
They play their own game.
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Is there a video of a Kyokushin fighter, who fights against others styles in a match where punching the head is allowed?
<snip>.

I would like to see matches of Kyokushin fighters who fight with punches to the head, against other stylists who use 100% of their style.

Ever heard of k-1?
YouTube - ANDY HUG HIGHLIGHT
YouTube - Glaube Feitosa Highlights

That aside, you can watch gloved karate
YouTube - Kyokushin vs Oyama vs Seido

Or any other kickboxing than k-1.
YouTube - Ko Taisei (Kyokushin Karate IKO1) VS Sun Wu (Sanshou)
YouTube - Legend of Peter Smit !

Kyokushin guys fight in kickboxing of all organization and types all the time. Its just kyokushins own tournaments that are with kyokushin rules. But you find kyokushin guys in almost any fightsport. This is a old tradition in kyokushin.
Usually however, kyokushin guys leaves kyokushin when they start fighting as Pro, since this was the tradition when the kyokushin founder lived. Many joins kyokushin offshoots (like Andy Hug who left kyokushin and joined seidokaikan about a year before he turned kickboxer when seidokaikan spawned k-1).
And if you count in kyokushin offshoots when you talk about kyokushin, you got even less problem problem finding more fighters facing people of other arts in kickboxing (and MMA).

But yes. when fighting inside the organization, kyokushin usually use its own rules.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 7:46am

Originally Posted by Grizzly216

The Kyokushin fighters are clever enough to only fight at Kyokushin rules.
Smart, because that's what they are best at and that's how they are trained.
They play their own game.

You might want to catch up with the times. Many KK dojos have switched rules and are allowing head contact.

The opponents repeat the same mistake each time again. They play a game that they are not trained for.
A Jiu-Jitsu practitioner who leaves out grappling and only uses punches and kicks, leaves out about 50% of his style, not a smart move.

Wrong.

Same goes for the Pencak Silat guy, he doesn't use 100% of his style and puts himself at a huge disadvantage.

Wrong.

Is there a video of a Kyokushin fighter, who fights against others styles in a match where punching the head is allowed?

Hundreds.

Because that is one thing that most Kyokushin fighters are not used to.
Though the kicks to the head are impressive and have the ability to take you out right away, it still is less difficult to avoid or dodge these kicks, whereas punches are more difficult to cover.

Wow.

I would like to see matches of Kyokushin fighters who fight with punches to the head, against other stylists who use 100% of their style.

Though I must say that these Kyokushin fighters are never easy opponents.

Grizzly216

No, you wouldn't. If you really did, you would have hit up google and found these videos yourself.

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 7:50am

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearc...unori%20Kikuno

**Holy Moment** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 8:33am

Originally Posted by fug

Since most KK tournies have the no head shot rules (some now allow, but "mainstream" KK doesn't) most other hard sparring stylists avoid them.

I thought that maybe a lot of TMA guys have tried them because Kyokushin has kind of been around for a while. Like this:

YouTube - Kyokushin Karate vs Wing Chun

**kolsyrade** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 9:06am

Originally Posted by Holy Moment

I thought that maybe a lot of TMA guys have tried them because Kyokushin has kind of been around for a while. Like this:

It happens quite often.
Not all, but many kyokushin (and kyokushin offshoot) knockdown karate tournaments are open entry to anyone as long as they can show atleast 2 years training in martial arts. Several kick and thaiboxers has tried their hands at knockdown.
Its far from unusual to see some tkd, kungfu or kempo or kickboxer (or other standup fighters from styles/art other than the those who fight knockdown style traditionally) in a open kyokushin tournament. They just dont tend to make it very far.

Here we have a famous Thai thaiboxer facing a japanese tkd national champion in a seidokaikan (kyokushin offshoot) knockdown tournament, the winner then faced andy Hug and lost in the next round.
YouTube - Muay Thai vs TKD

Knockdown karate is one of the most common karate rules system around, although it is divided by minor differences created by different organizations.
Several karate & kempo styles has adopted knockdown karate despite not being descended from kyokushin.
For example, Byakuren karate is a offshoot from shorinji kempo that fights exclusively with knockdown rules.
Shidokan has their triathlon of martial art (3 rounds knockdown, 3 rounds thaiboxing and 3 rounds MMA), which is very popular and where many top MMA and kickboxer names has been seen without training shidokan.

Formal style vs style events are uncommon though (and usually they are all pure propaganda BS by one side anyway), but they do happen. Here is a example from china, where chinese TKD fighters took on russian kyokushin fighters under kyokushin rules. Bad idea!:
YouTube - 2004 Russian Kyokushin Karate VS China WTF Tae Kwon Do

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 9/28/2009 9:50am

Originally Posted by Holy Moment

I thought that maybe a lot of TMA guys have tried them because Kyokushin has kind of been around for a while. Like this:

YouTube - Kyokushin Karate vs Wing Chun

Yeah, maybe they try it once, then flee back to wing chun land with their tails tucked behind them. :walk: I love how the KK fighter helped carry the wc guy off the mats.