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    Yeah, if you find a school that goes out and competes often enough, you shouldn't be led astray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    that competition should be in full contact and not point fighting tag. this issue gets overlooked often so i thought i should point it out.

    the place might compete every month but if it's not full contact than i wouldn't put a lot of weight in their training.

    it's fine if they *also* compete in point fighting (kids or beginners) but the seniors should be fighting full contact sanda or lei tai.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoj View Post
    Also, dont mistake aliveness for roughness, aliveness doesnt have to be rough, but a lot of clubs train very rough, but still compliantly.

    You seem to be leaning towards striking arts primarily, so muay thai or similar might be a good idea to check into.
    That's very true. When I was doing Chun the training was 100% compliant yet you could strike relatively hard. This sounds quite brutal and looked and felt pretty badass at the time... but it's not, no way, it's pointless and was a waste of time. It makes the senior feel tough and the junior like a chump so it does favours to no one except the guy that takes the tution fees.

    Muay Thai is a great suggestion (or boxing, off the bat), striking wise, cuts the bullshit for all involved.

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    Whereabouts are you? Might well be able to recommend some gyms for you to try out. If you're anywhere near Leicester then Leicester Shootfighters are generally very highly regarded: http://leicestermma.wordpress.com/ , for example.

    MMA properly means competition under a rule-set that allows both grappling and striking and schools that put fighters into such competitions. It's hijacking to mean any old crap people care to cobble together is an unfortunate and recent marketing phenomenon.

    Your notion that 'un-watered down' traditional styles are necessarily the most effective is false, I'm afraid. The most effective systems are generally those which have evolved and continue to evolve, just as in other areas of human endeavour like medicine.

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    I'm in Herefordshire - 2 hour drive to Leicester, although if it's a good school i'd be willing, assuming I could fit a good amount of training into my schedule with the large travelling time. I'll check them out, thanks.

    I wasn't necessarily saying learning a traditional style is the most effective (unless I did say that, in which case please don't embarress me and quote that! :P) - I partly want to because of the way my mind works. I can learn things very quickly and efficiently when I have one thing to focus on, and also tend to enjoy a single focus, but when several are thrown in, I get easily confused. It's mainly making up for my own failing. I use 'watered down' as a broad term, not meaning simplified to make more effective, but simplified to be easier to learn, sacrificing quality.

    I also want to learn a traditional art because I was fed a lot of crap by the Bushido academy of martial arts that went against traditional arts.. and saying its all bollocks etc. etc. and I want to get an opposite view of their bastardised Karate.

    Thanks for the clarification on what MMA means. I've definately never done MMA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by opeterson View Post
    I'm in Herefordshire - 2 hour drive to Leicester, although if it's a good school i'd be willing, assuming I could fit a good amount of training into my schedule with the large travelling time. I'll check them out, thanks.
    In that case I'd give these guys a try: http://www.thecombatacademy.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by opeterson View Post
    I wasn't necessarily saying learning a traditional style is the most effective (unless I did say that, in which case please don't embarress me and quote that! :P) - I partly want to because of the way my mind works. I can learn things very quickly and efficiently when I have one thing to focus on, and also tend to enjoy a single focus, but when several are thrown in, I get easily confused. It's mainly making up for my own failing. I use 'watered down' as a broad term, not meaning simplified to make more effective, but simplified to be easier to learn, sacrificing quality.

    I also want to learn a traditional art because I was fed a lot of crap by the Bushido academy of martial arts that went against traditional arts.. and saying its all bollocks etc. etc. and I want to get an opposite view of their bastardised Karate.
    Judo would work well with your way of learning, also depending on the instructor of course. It's traditional AND alive (and great fun), meaning that it works, but it also carries values and principles which are good food for tought, without them being a brainwashing exercise (as I've seen in some silly Karate schools). No striking in judo though.

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    Quite impressive, that one link

    Dave Taylor Qualifications.


    Wing Chun Street fighting Black Belt Level

    Wing Chun Kung Fu Black Belt 3rd Degree

    Wing Chun Tong Black Belt

    Ba Gua Kung Fu Black Belt

    Hsing-I Kung Fu Black Belt

    Wing Chun Dynamics Founder & Master Level

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    Silver Medal Gau Sau Fighting
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    British Forms Champion 2001

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    Not that I could argue with anything, but isn't black belt more of a japanese martial art thing?

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    alot of this is just fodder for the website to attract students. Much of it is the same thing repeated differently. Associations, federations, Hall of Fame's etc are organizations that provide an image of credibility. These are used by alot of commercial (meaning open to the public and proffessional as opposed to a club or basementgym) schools to boost credibility to outsiders checking the place out. It does not mean the guy isn't legit or good, it's just another marketing tool. It's the nature of the business. Doesn't mean he's a McKwoon. There are plenty of public commercial schools that are very good, just as there are many basement non-profit schools that suck. Go check it out and decide for yourself.

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