10/26/2009 5:07pm, #291
I just saw the match, I can't say anything that hasn't already been said here. I was 100% sure that they were going to score Rua the winner.
My other complaint other than the decision is the posters in this thread. Its annoying as hell reading through this thread when everybody hides their post in the "spoiler" box. I saw the fight 2 days after it happened, and that's exactly why I stayed away from the UFC 104 thread until then. I mean, seriously, what the hell do you expect walking into this thread after the fight is over?
10/26/2009 5:56pm, #292
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Man, I didn't expect Rua to be back in top shape this quickly, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I, too, feel the fight was scored rather badly. While it wasn't like Machida was overwhelmed, he certainly didn't manage to wrap his head around Rua's timing and was taking the harder shots during short the exchanges. Even in the one "lengthy" exchange where Machida came at Rua most of those punches missed or hit Rua's guard whereas Rua's punches were less but far more effective (that one right hand Rogan commented on).
Upon seeing the fight 5 times now (six later on today, it was that enjoyable for me!) I cannot help but disagree with those saying Machida's shots staggered Rua and were therefore much more damaging, when the fact of the matter is they seemed to be slight tags rather that full-on punches (check some of the pics at sherdog and other places). Rua seemed to have Machida's timing down for the duration of the fight and was looking in better shape by the end. Lyoto was visibly tiring at a slightly faster rate than Shogun and his legs surely paid the price of all those leg kicks; Machida had developed a limp by the start of the 4th round.
Personally, I believe Rua took it and Machida knows it. Whether he admits it or not, he was visibly flustered by Rua's gameplan. Good thing, too! Who'd want him to grow complacent?
As for the argument "to be the champion you have to beat the champion", it's hogwash. If such a thing were the standard Rampage would still be champion. Rua clearly outstruck Machida nearly 3 to 1 by my count. Those saying body and leg shots don't end fights or aren't damaging enough probably haven't had enough shots to their own midsections or legs (go spar with a kyokushin practitioner without using protective gear and see what that's like!).
Hopefully, Shogun will be able to add to his clearly effective gameplan and prepare pertinent contingencies for the changes Machida will obviously make to adapt to Shogun's new approach.
Can't wait for the Rematch as this was one of the most technically enjoyable full-distance title fights I've seen.
10/26/2009 5:57pm, #293
10/26/2009 5:59pm, #294
10/26/2009 6:21pm, #295
10/26/2009 6:28pm, #296
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10/26/2009 8:25pm, #297
10/26/2009 9:23pm, #298
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Machida wasn't moving as effectively, and even said that the leg kicks hurt him by the later rounds.
10/26/2009 9:25pm, #299
I think you can make a good argument for Machida winning the fight, scoring on a round-by-round basis (and I discussed why here. You can't really make an argument that he took less damage than Shogun, though. Shogun clearly took damage - his face was pretty fucked up in the pre-fight press conference. But Machida had separated ribs from the body kicks and the damage to his legs was evident in round 5.Undisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
10/26/2009 9:41pm, #300