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  1. DdraigGoch is offline

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    9/16/2009 2:25pm

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    Fitness and HEMA

    Hello everybody! I have recently taken up HEMA and I am really enjoying it. I can't seem to find much information around on the relationship between fitness and HEMA other than baselines stuff like "fitness is important" and "the fight masters thought fitness was important and gave some suggestions".

    I imagine other martial arts routines would work well but has anyone put anything specific together?
    Are there any attributes that require specific attention (that wouldn't be appropriately dealt with in a mma workout)?


    As a general question, what sort of routines do you guys use?
  2. Josh_Grant is offline

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    Forgive my relative ignorance, but what is HEMA? Gotta link?

    See many organizations practice different aspects of Western Martial Arts: Savate, Cappo Fero, fighting styles of the Vikings, Romans, etc, Boxing to name a few possibilities. Each fighting style has different fitness needs.

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     Style: Pekiti, ARMA, other stuff

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    Historical European Martial Arts, AKA WMA/RMA.
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    Ah Hah! Thank you!

    Ok- so what remains to be seen is which style or styles the OP is training in and for....

    Josh
  5. DdraigGoch is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_Grant View Post
    Ah Hah! Thank you!

    Ok- so what remains to be seen is which style or styles the OP is training in and for....

    Josh

    Wow, I obviously haven't had enough coffee today. I was not specific enough in my op.

    I am talking about the fitness needs of medieval and renaissance period European martial arts. I am currently going to a school called Academie Duello that focuses primarily on rapier but also includes a lot of grappling, longsword, secondaries, quarterstaff, etc. I think Cappo Fero and Fiore dei Liberi are the school's main inspirations. Again, I am quite new so I apologize if I am confusing or using inaccurate terms.

    I guess the root of the question is whether the weapon aspects of HEMA add additional fitness needs (on top of unarmed styles) and what those needs are? But I am also quite curious as to what sort of things HEMA practitioners are doing for fitness?
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    Grip strength, primarily, ability to stabilize a long weight. Explosive twisting core movements.

    And then everything a normal combat athlete needs.
  7. DdraigGoch is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    Grip strength, primarily, ability to stabilize a long weight. Explosive twisting core movements.

    And then everything a normal combat athlete needs.
    Yeah that makes a lot of sense, thanks. I am certainly feeling some issues around the strength-endurance of my right shoulder with all this rapier work.
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    9/16/2009 4:56pm

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    Lunges, and plenty of cardio. Don't forget about the all important flexibility! The more flexible you are, the faster you are... that sword is your friend- the more you train with it, the better it will serve you.

    When you look at training for a specific event or martial art, see what movements are used and then incorporate them into your fitness routines. It kills two birds with one thrust- get's you in shape and programs your muscle memory to the gross movements of the art.

    When a huge amount of reps no longer challenges you, incorporate ankle and wrist weights to make things more difficult.

    Josh
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     Style: Pekiti, ARMA, other stuff

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    Weighted Clubs are also quite swell, and sledgehammers.
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    HEMA (and this is a big generalization) often skews towards an older, better educated and less well-conditioned demograpic than many other martial arts. IMO a lot of HEMA folks could stand to take their physical fitness, including limb strength, core strength, flexibility, endurance etc. more seriously as a key component of their training.
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