[UpaLumpa]

Curious as to what people think goes into initiating and completing a successful triangle.

Thread inspired by rolling with some guy from some other school who thought he could get triangles by lasso'ing people bigger and better than him as opposed to, you know, breaking down their posture.

I consider this to actually be a serious thread because people far too often neglect actual fundamental aspects of the techniques the attempt and neglect to develop an understanding of why things work. Yes, I'm talking to all you blue belts out there who think you'll pull off inverted triangles on the purples and browns consistently without understanding why things work. Sure, you may get it once or twice but if the guy you're trying it on tells you why it isn't working for you... move on.


[[In retrospect this clearly belongs in whatever gitmo is now called]]

[UpaLumpa]

Funny, I reported that this should be moved and when I was returned to the thread it already had been. Well played sir.

[Kintanon]

RONG FOURM N00B!!!

Actually, it wouldn't hurt to have an advanced discussion on the triangle and the triangle setups that people are using and how they tie back into the basic fundamental rule of breaking someone's posture down before attacking.
I will admit to being the kind of person who doesn't mind having a foot up behind my opponents head and use a foot and 2 arms to try to break them back down to get the triangle. I prefer to use deceipt, trickery, and an overhook to plot my triangles, but if I can get one arm in/one arm out and hook my foot behind my opponents neck I will frequently take it and work from there using my foot as an anchor chain around my opponents neck. Every time they attempt to dislodge it I can use my now free hand or hands to go back to breaking their posture. Each inch I gain I rachet my leg down to stop them from posturing back up until I can throw it across the back of their neck.

I know it's not the BEST way to get the triangle. I much prefer breaking them down and securing the overhook, then hipping out and controlling the opposite wrist. But I have a hard time breaking people down, sometimes I don't get to use the optimum method.

[David Koresh Jr.]

I set up the triangle through my sweeps. Hip bump to triangle, scissor sweep to triangle, pendulum sweep to omoplata (with triangle as an option). I sometimes use collar chokes as setups in conjunction. Breaking their posture is fo sho vital, especially if you've got short legs you need that posture broken and all the angle in the world.


edit: Oh yeah, and whatever I seen Ryangle do. Sadly I do attempt inverted triangles... I'm sorry.

[Naszir]

I don't usually triangle from the bottom, I tend to get them by baiting them to sit up to escape an armbar from mount or by allowing them to partially escape mount through the backdoor.

[RandomTriangle]

i used to consider myself a triangle guy. It was very straight forward from my closed guy and pretty good.

Then i started REALLY playing my open guard. Now i don't really use closed guard, and thus far less triangles. I still use top game triangles, but top game triangles don't require posture breaks because they are on their backs (duh).

I fell in love with arm drags, DLH, X... in fact any guard except closed.
I'm sure it's just a phase. But my guard has become soo much harder to pass. i dunno.

[Conde Koma]

I'm finding that the triangle is becoming my bread and butter among judo guys.

I like to set it up off of rubber guard, but using the conventional overhook works too. I can't imagine how people are doing it without breaking posture, unless you're Genki Sudo and just jumping into it.

[1point2]

I've been taking this lesson to heart for my armbars from guard, instead of triangles. I've been hitting it a lot on fellow white belts--which of course means nothing--by pulling their head and arm to my chest, then angling out and throwing the leg over.

Am I doing it wrong?

[jnp]

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Funny, I reported that this should be moved and when I was returned to the thread it already had been. Well played sir.

I saw the thread before I saw the "reported" post. Uptight mod for the win.


I throw the triangle sometimes regardless of their posture. I'm especially fond of letting them pin one leg to pass while my other leg is across their back a la the Gracie Gift. I typically free the "pinned" leg by jerking my knee toward my head in the horizontal plane. It won't work if you try to lift your leg/knee off the ground before it's free of the "pin". Once the leg is no longer pinned, it's easy enough to secure the position.

Then I rely on my experience to break their posture. I prefer the "ratcheting" with the legs method to break them down using pressure on the back of their neck. That or I utilize the armbar without throwing my leg across their face.

I wrote this post while watching Monday Night Football. Consequently, it might suck.

[SBG-ape]

The posture issue goes beyond triangles. New white belts need to learn posture for a position before they can easily make sense of how to move in that position & certainly before they'll be able to make sense of anything cool like subs or sweeps. Blue belts (like me) can fall into the trap of getting a little better at basic movements & smashing some white belts from lazy posture or trying crazy shit from scrambles instead of working the basics well.

I'm certainly not innocent of those sins, but I know (at least after the fact) that I should knock such shit off & I appreciate my coaches & training partners calling me on whatever doesn't work & focusing training back where it belongs: on building a solid positional game with well developed posture.