Thread: Why the disrespect to RBMA?
4/11/2015 12:17am, #1
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Why the disrespect to RBMA?
As my first post here I just wanted to say I've been a lurker for a while and I finally made an account. Looking at many of the threads it seems to me that you guys bash on reality based martial arts an awful lot. Why so much hostility? Don't get me wrong, I love MMA and grappling and all that but I would rather learn something that will give me a wider range of skills than just learning how to punch, kick and wrestle. So I want to know what is everyone's beef with RBMA?
Second question: what is everyone's favorite style and why do you train?
4/11/2015 7:56am, #2
Because RBSD/RBMA are often not based on anything remotely based on reality. They often trained in the same dead patterns common to ineffective Martial Arts trading wooden swords and Gis for Plastic Guns and BDUs. And its practitioners often spout nonsensical no-win scenarios involving multiple armed opponents as reasons why other arts aren't as effective.
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4/11/2015 8:18am, #3
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Hostility is a very strong word. . . I think a better one would be "disrespect."
Anyway, everything Plasma said was basically correct. Most RBSD systems' origins and syllabi are completely disconnected from real, actual experience in the areas they are supposed to provide training in, and because of this they wind up producing groups of practitioners who aren't nearly as competent as they believe themselves to be. Beyond that, though, you will find a large percentage of RBMA/RBSD practitioners are drawn to the systems by claimed military/LEO connections. . .
These people are often going to be the sort who want the skill-sets and personal abilities that come with those professions but don't like the demands of the actual training or the risk associated with the actual job. There isn't anything inherently wrong with LARPing or playing pretend, but you will also see a lot of these people lose sight of who they really are and what they are really doing; getting too big for their britches and becoming rather asshole-ish.
(I mostly like studying historical arts that don't necessarily have a living tradition, but unfortunately have not had any kind of regular, alive training for a few years now. . .)
4/11/2015 9:41am, #4
For instance; a good example of RBSD failing in the R department is the ol' stomp on the assailant's instep to counter a rear naked choke.
Not only is it a low percentage technique but it leaves people who are confident in it vulnerable at a time when being able to fight back counts the most.
Another one is the ol' fist full of car keys. Sure that has to smart like a bitch but it won't incapacitate. It'll just piss someone off really bad.
In the kinds of situations that RBSD nutriders ten to spend all their time romanticizing incapacitation is key. Efficable technique is key. Selling people anything less than that is irresponsible, exploitative and in total disregard for the safety of their clients. That's pretty low when you think ahout it.
I'd like to leave y'all with a small brain worm if may. Something to think about when someone tries to convince they're onto some vigilante, prison yard, OSS secret squirel, suburban comando ****.
If you happen to live in a time of relative civil order, with a functioning local constabulary and a fully grown man suggests in all sincerity that you carry a sword in public as bum repellant; it may be prudent to question the reality that's prefacing his self defense.
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4/11/2015 10:09am, #5Another one is the ol' fist full of car keys. Sure that has to smart like a bitch but it won't incapacitate. It'll just piss someone off really bad.
4/11/2015 10:34am, #6
4/11/2015 10:36am, #7It seems to me that the Sanjuriu Martial Art is not in guestion, but, rather the character of Mr. Galt.
4/11/2015 10:45am, #8
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They tend to devote a significant portion of their training to techniques and approaches which are legally and ethically problematic, not trained with realism, and not tested in a full contact environment against competent opponents.
Some also spend time on deescalation and conflict avoidance, which would be a very good thing if there were a reliable way to verify if the approaches they teach are viable.
Some RBSD schools also include ordinary kickboxing, wrestling, and grappling in their training. Many forget the key advantage of these arts and don't train them alive (the KM school near me teaches boxing punches, MT kicks and elbows, but never spars). Those that do will probably indeed offer decent training, but merely decent. not good. The time spent dead-drilling techniques you will never truly get the hang of is time not spent learning to knock people out with a punch.
Another major reason seems to be the attitude of many RBSD students and the method of advertising employed by many schools.
4/11/2015 10:47am, #9
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I think the problem with RBSD is that they tend to learn patterns rather than skills. What I would like to see is a RBSD that focuses on effective sparring and grappling first then adds on some scenario training where the aim is to lead into the sparring and grappling techniques asap. Most RBSD I've seen train the other way round (i.e. lots of scenario's and patterns with a bit of crappy sparring and grappling added on that is barely related to any of the other moves used in the scenario's and patterns).
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4/11/2015 10:54am, #10
Like the knee kick and solar-plexis punch, the key-punch is something that can work. It just has the misfortune of showing up in a lot of "self-defense tip" articles like the kind Cracked ran a few weeks ago.