OK - What he did was legitimately done within the rules. He's a hero and a great fighter for that performance. I changed my mind. Thank god he didn't spit on the guy afterwards, because THAT would have been illegal.
He launched the punch while gloves where still touched.
Originally Posted by Hesperus
It's been the done thing to touch gloves if you're sparring or fighting for decades. If that guy wanted to be the hardcase and fight dirty he should not have touched.
It's like shaking someones hand and head-butting them. It has a time and a place but in a combat sport, that is also a spectator sport, it cheapens the game and makes the puncher look like a fucking newb. I'm not surprised he got booed, the chump deserved it.
Yeah, but how often do you see that done in judo tournaments compared to how often people touch gloves after the round starts?
If I'm in a judo tourney, and I'm bowing after the match has started, I'll get a stalling penalty at best, uchi mata'd into another dimension at the worst. And I'd deserve the latter.
Also, ditto to the guy who said that he just torpedoed his career. That was my first thought after watching it. But it's okay to alienate everyone who has a direct impact on your career as long as you got the win, right...?
****, can anyone on this site differentiate between supporting actions/ideas and rejecting the reflex hate of said actions/ideas?
For Kano's sake, I don't give a sixth of a **** how common it is to open yourself up for immediate loss in a sporting event, anyone who loses that way deserves it.
Originally Posted by BigKovacs
I cant believe anybody would defend his actions. He clearly went for the "touching of gloves" and punched him instead.
To me he cheated. He may have found a new "legal" douchebag way..but he cheated nontheless
The guy who got nailed could have been more careful for sure, no doubt he will be in future, but the guy throwing the sucker punch is still being a dick. It doesn't matter whether it's legal or not, he's defying a social convention which holds in the ring, whatever the rhetoric about it being a fight and "defending yourself at all times".
In everyday life you get a ton of legal opportunuites to **** people over for personal gain. If exploit them you're being a dick. Simple.
I wonder if those that condone the guy's actions whould do or have done the same thing, and if not, why not?
This in particular looks like it generalises into a neat excuse for being a colossal prick in almost any circumstance.
Originally Posted by Hesperus
**** social conventions when we've agreed to punch/kick/throw/choke/lock each other for those fifteen minutes. I'm not giving you an inch in between those bells, and would be insulted if I didn't receive the same in return.
Competitive events aren't, and have never been, about playing nice.
You could indeed extrapolate that philosophy into the rest of society. Isn't the corporate world one big competitive event? What about countries and nations? They're all playing the game, whether they like it or not, and they're being stupid for not going all out, right?
The two may have agreed to "punch/kick/throw/choke/lock" each other for fifteen minutes, but they've also agreed to other social conventions, some explicit, some implicit.
Explicit: no biting, gouging, groin shots, finger breaking, etc.
Implicit: go no further than the KO/TKO/Submission, respect each other, don't take things personal, etc.
The reason for sportsmanship is to separate us from the other animals, to remind us that, while winning is great, things like class, honor, and empathy are still worth more.
But I don't.
Originally Posted by Conde Koma
Yes. And I'm pretty sure nobody plays nice.
Isn't the corporate world one big competitive event?
Unfortunately, many people enjoy treating it this way.
What about countries and nations?
You've strawmanned so big I'm-a call you Nicolas Cage.
They're all playing the game, whether they like it or not, and they're being stupid for not going all out, right?
Hey, look, the rules of a competitive sporting event.
no biting, gouging, groin shots, finger breaking, etc.
Hey, another rule.
go no further than the KO/TKO/Submission
I could've sworn it was language and tool use and ****. Aren't we the only animals that go to war other than chimps and ants?
The reason for sportsmanship is to separate us from the other animals
If you expect this to be true of anyone with money at stake, you must be living in Candyland.
winning is great, things like class, honor, and empathy are still worth more.
People are assholes, this isn't news, so get in the fight when the bell rings or don't at all.
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