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  1. RandomTriangle is offline

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    What about the beginning of round 2 on TUF when the guy shook hands and immediately pulled himself in for a takedown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    This is the point that we have been arguing, what is yours?
    Sportsmanship is a noble concept and we should all strive for it, but when you're in a sanctioned fight expect your opponent to try 110% to beat you as close to death a legal possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odacon View Post
    Sportsmanship is a noble concept and we should all strive for it, but when you're in a sanctioned fight expect your opponent to try 110% to beat you as close to death a legal possible.
    Yes, that's true, specially if your opponent is a cheating motherfucking asshole who violates every sense of fair play and sportsmanship. Specially if he's a deceitful, devious underhanded double dealing buttfuck. Yes it's true when you are dealing with backstabbing immoral two-faced scumbags. Yes that's very true Odacon, very true. Thank God these types of asswipes are rare.


    P.S. I do understand, Some are amoral and being so, will never understand. Some can feel shame, others think might makes right and don't have the moral compass that enables most to seek the light, rather than be content to live in an ocean of darkness . So be it. Mussolini isn't my hero.

    Slimy deplorable actions will never be righteous. This brings to my mind social Darwinism, that concept that combined with racialism led to imperialism, national paranoia , eugenics and justified the Nazis. One can justify this action, but it ultimately is evil.
    Last edited by patfromlogan; 9/19/2009 12:26am at .
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    I ran into a guy like this last weekend. Came in 3 pounds overweight, push kicked me while we were tapping gloves, tried to hit me when i was on the ground after slipping in the corner's wet patch, hit me several times while the ref was holding me after a clinch break, hit me several seconds after the round bell went. He didn't win the fight, didn't win any fans or respect and most likely won't be invited back to fight at that show.

    If i'd been caught and KO'd by any of this stuff it would have been my fault, just don't expect to be cheered by the crowd afterwards.
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    Was this a Muay Thai fight?

    Oh, wait, sorry.

    Was this a Muay Thai SPORTING EVENT?
    Last edited by Hesperus; 9/19/2009 2:11am at . Reason: pre-emptive vocabulary alteration
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    Yeah, muay thai with 10 ounce gloves and no padding. I didn't even want to tap gloves with that guy but my coach was adamant about it. If i had my way i would tap gloves before the fight with the ref there and then hug at the end of the fight but the gym culture demands a show of respect to your opponent. Silly but it's as ingrained as bowing before a karate match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang View Post
    Came in 3 pounds overweight push kicked me while we were tapping gloves, tried to hit me when i was on the ground after slipping in the corner's wet patch, hit me several times while the ref was holding me after a clinch break, hit me several seconds after the round bell went
    Notice how all but one of these things are against the rules of the SPORTING EVENT in question?
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    What is your point Hesperus? Are you trying to argue that because hitting someone while they're tapping gloves isn't illigal in the match it is ethical?

    I find your stance on this really quite funny considering your stance on smoking weed.
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    I'm saying there's a difference between actions being against objective rules and actions being subjectively labeled rude, and how one of those is worth a **** in a SPORTING EVENT and the other isn't.

    And what is my "stance on smoking weed", and how does it have anything to do with this? What is your "stance on eating chicken", "stance on performing fellatio", and "stance on driving blue cars"?
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    Where has anyone here said that there is no difference between an illegal action in a fight and a dirty but legal action in a fight? Dirty fighters commit both illegal actions and legal actions which are dirty. If this is another one of your strawman arguments i'm going to fly over there and slap you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesperus View Post
    Etiquette has no place in a fight.
    Other examples of etiquette in a fight:
    * Often a fighter will slip on a logo placed on the ring surface or a wet patch and the other fighter won't pounce of them.
    * Fighters will often give their opponent a chance to tap before breaking the arm.
    * JWP injured his shin on an elbow in an 8 man tournament to the point where one good kick would have taken him out of his next match with Cosmo, Cosmo knew this and didn't choose to target this area.
    * kicking people in the knee is legal yet many fighters will have a gentelmens agreement not to target the knee due to possible career ending injuries.
    * Fighters will sometimes tap gloves to apologize for hitting the other person in the cup.

    You will see things like this in nearly every single professional muay thai show.


    There are many things you can do which are legal but considered dirty in a fight such as:
    * Shaving your head and letting it regrow a few days so that every time you clinch your stubble scrapes their face.
    * Not cut your toe-nails so that kicks have the possibility of cutting your opponent's eye.
    * Smothering your opponents nose/mouth with your glove in the clinch.
    * Dropping your elbow into your opponent when you fall on them after a sweep.
    "Boxing is the art of hitting an opponent from the furthest distance away, exposing the least amount of your body while getting into position to punch with maximum leverage and not getting hit."
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