how to avoid overtraining for beginners (lifting + training)

**LI GUY 1** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 2:40am

I eat all the time. I always want to eat, whether hungery or not, like I ahve conditionined myslef to just constantly be snacking or eating a meal.
I am definitely not fat

When you get to a certain level of training IMO you have to eat constantly, hungry or not, just to keep your weight on and have ample calories/nutrients to recover.

**Asriel** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 3:30am

Originally Posted by Dustin P

If you stuff yourself frequently, beyond your hunger point, then you get fat.

Stuffing yourself frequently beyond your hunger point and creating a calorie surplus. Yes, that'll make you fat.

Eating a certain amount of calories per day at scheduled meal times and eating whether you're hungry or not will not make you fat. In fact, it is what most athletes do. I seem to remember Emevas saying that he never waits until he's hungry to eat.

**galois** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 6:52am

Originally Posted by Dustin P

If you stuff yourself frequently, beyond your hunger point, then you get fat.

If the body self regulates calorie intake by hunger why are there so many fat people in the world?

Hunger, as far as I'm aware, is connected to the volume of material going through the stomach, hence accounts of people in concentration camps eating mud and clay to stave off hunger.

My natural appetite is very small so I have to eat calorie dense* foods and eat when I'm not hungry to support the exercise I do. I walk around at around 12% body fat.

*EDIT: by calorie dense I generally mean things with high percentage composition of complex carbs or protein, not fat.

**Dustin P** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 7:30am

Originally Posted by Asriel

Stuffing yourself frequently beyond your hunger point and creating a calorie surplus. Yes, that'll make you fat.

Eating a certain amount of calories per day at scheduled meal times and eating whether you're hungry or not will not make you fat. In fact, it is what most athletes do. I seem to remember Emevas saying that he never waits until he's hungry to eat.

Well. I don't believe that there is any evidence showing that eating even when you aren't hungry will help.

If there is, I haven't seen it.

**Dustin P** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 7:33am

Originally Posted by galois

If the body self regulates calorie intake by hunger why are there so many fat people in the world?

Hunger, as far as I'm aware, is connected to the volume of material going through the stomach, hence accounts of people in concentration camps eating mud and clay to stave off hunger.

My natural appetite is very small so I have to eat calorie dense* foods and eat when I'm not hungry to support the exercise I do. I walk around at around 12% body fat.

*EDIT: by calorie dense I generally mean things with high percentage composition of complex carbs or protein, not fat.

People who are fat eat even when they aren't hungry for subjective benefits. It makes them feel good.

"Hunger" has nothing to do with what is going through the stomach, but rather hormones such as leptin. This is why no-calorie foods don't help hunger.

**galois** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 8:25am

Originally Posted by Dustin P

People who are fat eat even when they aren't hungry for subjective benefits. It makes them feel good.

"Hunger" has nothing to do with what is going through the stomach, but rather hormones such as leptin. This is why no-calorie foods don't help hunger.

No doubt it is true that some people overeat for purely subjective benefits but I don't believe that this holds in general. Hormones such as Leptin are connected to weight and hunger but their roles do not seem to be as concretely determined as you appear to believe. In particular the relationships between levels of various hormones and obesity is an active research area.

From my, admittedly limited, reading of the literature, the connection between hunger and hormones does not in itself rule out a connection between hunger and the physical presence of food in the stomach. If you know there is no such connection I would be very interested in reading your sources as, from a purely personal perspective, my experience tells me that eating 300 grams of raw vegetables fills me much more, at least in the short to medium term, than 4 teaspoons of glucose and a packet of crisps.

**Dustin P** · Posted On: 9/11/2009 9:17pm

Originally Posted by galois

No doubt it is true that some people overeat for purely subjective benefits but I don't believe that this holds in general. Hormones such as Leptin are connected to weight and hunger but their roles do not seem to be as concretely determined as you appear to believe. In particular the relationships between levels of various hormones and obesity is an active research area.

From my, admittedly limited, reading of the literature, the connection between hunger and hormones does not in itself rule out a connection between hunger and the physical presence of food in the stomach. If you know there is no such connection I would be very interested in reading your sources as, from a purely personal perspective, my experience tells me that eating 300 grams of raw vegetables fills me much more, at least in the short to medium term, than 4 teaspoons of glucose and a packet of crisps.

That's one of the main reasons why 0 calorie foods don't get rid of the hunger. There is an urge to eat based on the bodys need of calories and if those calories aren't met then you remain hungry. If people could eat 0 calorie mass foods in substitute for caloric foods then that would make it super easy to lose weight.