If the closest BJJ school is too far, should I take "Shooto" instead?

**theJesusHorse** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 5:54pm

If its a good school, then the Shooto program might be superior to only taking BJJ. There are some notable Shooto fighters from the USA.
Eric Paulson is a seriously talented martial artist and is a coach for Brock Lesnar(current UFC champion). He also developed his own system, Combat Submission Wrestling(CSW) that draws heavily from Shooto.
Ron Balicki is another great fighter. He is a full instructor in a number of arts under Dan Inosanto and was also a Shooto fighter.
Also, Shooto predates the UFC(MMA) by about 7 years. So really when a school says it teaches MMA, it means "I teach Shooto". ;)

**Man_Among_Men** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 6:00pm

Originally Posted by theJesusHorse

If its a good school, then the Shooto program might be superior to only taking BJJ. There are some notable Shooto fighters from the USA.
Eric Paulson is a seriously talented martial artist and is a coach for Brock Lesnar(current UFC champion). He also developed his own system, Combat Submission Wrestling(CSW) that draws heavily from Shooto.
Ron Balicki is another great fighter. He is a full instructor in a number of arts under Dan Inosanto and was also a Shooto fighter.
Also, Shooto predates the UFC(MMA) by about 7 years. So really when a school says it teaches MMA, it means "I teach Shooto". ;)

oh right now i get it, i confused "shooto" with "combat submission wrestling", that is what the school is teaching. so it's csw vs bjj, not shooto

**Ming Loyalist** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 6:03pm

Originally Posted by Man_Among_Men

oh right now i get it, i confused "shooto" with "combat submission wrestling", that is what the school is teaching. so it's csw vs bjj, not shooto

CSW gyms are a good choice for training. let us know how you like it.

**Deadmeat** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 6:25pm

Originally Posted by Man_Among_Men

interesting, then for example what are these kids learning here? i always thought they were learning "shooto" lol
YouTube - Kung Fu Teacher

that's one hell of a teep at 28 seconds btw

that guy looks like an Asian Benny The Jet

**Man_Among_Men** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 6:29pm

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

that guy looks like an Asian Benny The Jet

"that guy" is Satoru Sayama - aka Tiger Mask. The founder of Shooto and one of the main bodies who pushed MMA into the spotlight.

**Purpleskunk** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 7:23pm

Did M_A_M really get banned? If so why, it says he joined SEP 2009

**permahudef** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 8:41pm

Can anyone understand what the instructor was shouting at his students?
Hopefully it was something like "Keep your hands up!" *smack with stick*
"Your base is too small!" *tiip kick*

**theJesusHorse** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 9:04pm

Originally Posted by Man_Among_Men

oh right now i get it, i confused "shooto" with "combat submission wrestling", that is what the school is teaching. so it's csw vs bjj, not shooto

CSW uses a lot of BJJ techniques. If you have to choose between pure BJJ and CSW, and the instructors are both good, I would probably choose CSW.
Its not that CSW is "superior", its just that it will also teach you stand-up techniques as well.
Also, what are your objectives? You want to learn to defend yourself on the street or do you want to be an MMA fighter? They are two completely different things...

**Deadmeat** · Posted On: 9/03/2009 9:25pm

Originally Posted by Man_Among_Men

"that guy" is Satoru Sayama - aka Tiger Mask. The founder of Shooto and one of the main bodies who pushed MMA into the spotlight.

My background is through a Shooto-affiliated club.

I guess I'm not too funny today.

**M0ney** · Posted On: 9/04/2009 2:22am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

So basically, you took this part of ming's post:

Then added a stupid trolling response?

Yep, the flashing pink letters are correct.

Go read up on a poster named Hannibal and get your trolling correct.

Actually no.

I clarified the Pro/Amatuer classes. I also made it clear that there is not a style called "Shooto". Just like there is not a "UFC" style.

No trolling, no copying, just honest clarification.

Cheers