Aikido + BJJ = ?

**FictionPimp** · Posted On: 9/01/2009 10:47pm

I find many of the movements I learned in aikido useful or even sneaky for use in bjj. What I did not find useful was the method of practice. I was unable to apply any of these movements until about a year of horrible failures in trying to apply them in bjj class. In contrast to my judo or bjj training in which I was able to apply the movements after a very short time or practice.

In short, neat to know if you have spare time, but I wouldn't personally bother if you are just bjj/mma focused.

**Dark Fire** · Posted On: 9/01/2009 10:53pm

Wouldn't this be more effective with Tomiki Aikido?

I'm still a newbie, so take this with a grain of salt.

I mean, Tomiki Aikido is the only form of Aikido with competition. So wouldn't that be the best style to try to incorporate things into since the techniques are supposed to "work" in competitions?

I mean if you wanna help the Aikikai guys out, one big thing you need to do is get them to cut out all the circle **** they do. I mean that **** doesn't work for anything.

**Sley** · Posted On: 9/01/2009 11:31pm

I know a BJJ black belt who uses Hapkido Pressure points while rolling, he is also apparently immune to duck punching and despite being a Judo black belt (before he learned of BJJ) he pretty much exclusively uses the body lock, takedowns in MMA.

Basically his a strange BB...

**DCS** · Posted On: 9/02/2009 7:01am

Originally Posted by Sley

Or more making your Aikido less crap tastic by giving you effective moves

My aikido has a lot of effective moves but my bjj instructor told me that hitting people with big wooden sticks is unsportsmanlike.

:XXjester:

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 9/02/2009 9:26am

Do you do any standard aikido techniques in live BJJ rolling? Consistently? And I'm not talking about the occasional wristlock on the the ground. I mean something recognizably like standing/kneeling ikkyo, shiho nage, yonkyo (lol) etc.

**lostitagain** · Posted On: 9/02/2009 9:38am

I have done full on sparring with my aikido instructor (he is also a nidan in karate and has trained in okinawa). I have successfully applied ikkyo, a nishio style nikkyo, kaitenage, and iriminage during those sparring sessions. Nothing looked like what it does during compliant practice and it definitely takes a couple of hits to the head of your opponent before you can apply a technique. He mostly utilized iriminage against me. When he tried to apply ikkyo or nikkyo I would roll out into a position to apply an armbar.

Aikido definitely needs to use more sparring to create more effective practitioners.

**DCS** · Posted On: 9/02/2009 10:29am

Originally Posted by Res Judicata

Do you do any standard aikido techniques in live BJJ rolling? Consistently? And I'm not talking about the occasional wristlock on the the ground. I mean something recognizably like standing/kneeling ikkyo, shiho nage, yonkyo (lol) etc.

I had managed more ikkyos than flying triangles. And enough hip throws and kokyu throws that only noobs try rolling with me starting on feet, vets don't like going airborne. Consistently enough?

It looks like kata? No, as judo throws in randori don't look like judo kata nor bjj guard passing while rolling looks like textbook "how do standing guard pass 101".

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 9/02/2009 10:48am

I'm interested to see what that looks like. Those are the sort of techniques that look like they could work.

Most Judo throws and BJJ techniques look pretty close to how they're practiced, when applied, right down to the details.