yet another bullshido instructor

**BeLikeWater** · Posted On: 1/29/2004 4:37pm

btw even if you're joking it's a good thing to discuss regardless...

**Hedgehogey** · Posted On: 1/29/2004 5:42pm

Oh good god, not another "WE ALREADY DO TEH GRAPPLE" person.

Wing chun is a STANDUP ART. Do thai boxers claim "HEY WE DO TEH GRAPPLE IN MUAY THAI!"? NO.

**MaverickZ** · Posted On: 1/29/2004 5:44pm

then again, Muay Thai people don't claim their art is complete either.

**much love** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 8:00am

I want to know more about "the wing chun ground game"

anyone?

**Lo Blo Mo Fo** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 9:35am

Hi much love. what follows is all you need to know about the wing chun ground game:

Done

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 9:44am

Muay Thai absolutely does have Teh Grapple! It just doesn't have ground fighting. Get your terms straight!

**Lo Blo Mo Fo** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 9:45am

The question should be does a wing chun practioner need to learn a ground art? That of course depends on how skilled you are at avoiding take downs and how skilled your opponent is at inflicting them upon you. In my experience, it's not that hard to stay on your feet against someone who doesnt know take downs but is trying to get you to the ground. However, against someone skilled in take downs........well that's another story! IMO, even though its probably not that likely your gonna come up against a skilled grappler in a street fight, I like the added security a bit of ground knowledge gives you.

**MrMcFu** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 9:57am

No way.

See, all you have to do is take the WT principles and apply them to while on your back. If you are true to your lineage, this shouldn't be a problem and gives you the added advantage of adaptability. You can now defeat any grappler's limited range of gimmick "techniques".

WT + laying down = T3h St433t.

**much love** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 12:48pm

Mr. Mc Fu

the styles you have listed are bjj and shooto.

do you practise wing chun as well

what came first?

I started w/Wing chun

and it did help me on the ground when i started bjj

but most bluebelts and all purples and up could still kick my ass

**infidel** · Posted On: 1/30/2004 2:06pm

i take wing chun and just started bjj. wing chun that i took does try to add some grappling BUT, the emphasis is on try. none of the grappling taught is much more than sub wrestling type moves that are practiced unrealistically because class in on a hard wood floor. so, while it may be possible that some wing chun teachers add groundwork, it is my belief that this is an addition and not truly part of "wing chun" therefore i think it depends on what the guy adding it on knows and teaches. in my case at least, the wing chun grappling was not so good.