I am not taking a single thing away from Lesnar, he works hard and is a student of the game for sure. I just think that dumping him in there off a loss to Mir, and a win over Herring was rushing it too much. I would have liked to see him have more experience first, let him get in there and show that he is serious before tossing him in a title bout against Captain America.
Originally Posted by Odacon
That being said; what's done is done and I forsee this being a huge (pun intended) match up and a great fight. They both have their work cut out for them.
Lesnar's athletic ability should no longer be questioned.
All of the WWE guys are among the most highly athletic
That said, it's scary to think of all those guys Dana White
dumped from the heavy weight division as soon as he could
write their names down, and all that attention he finally did
throw at Fedor to try to get things done. . .then. didn't.
I don't see Carvin beating Lesnar unless he gets a clean
shot during stand up, and and little luck. Otherwise, he
isn't strong enough, fast enough, or able to dominate any
part of Lesnar on the ground, and Lesnar will take him down.
Lesnar's mma learning curve is also, highly under-appreciated.
Speaking only for myself, no. I hated Lesnar when he was a pro wrestler (for different reasons), and I hate him now not because I fail to aknowledge his legit skill, or because of his past employment.
Originally Posted by Memento18poker
I hate Lesnar because I hate all bad sportsmen. Add him to the list with the Diaz brothers, Manny Gamburyan, Melvin Guillard, and a truckload of others.
As to the subject at hand, Carwin is also a legit wrestler, and while not quite as big as Brock, he is certainly big enough to make the ground game a contest of skill rather than a contest of power-and-skill versus skill.
I think it's a question of how soon Brock goes for the takedown, and whether Carwin can stop it. Couture thwarted Lesnar's takedowns for a while, and while few fighters have anything close to Randy's clinch game, it proved that Lesnar isnt simply unstoppable in taking people down.
If it stays standing- while aknowleging Brock's speed and power, I havn't seen anything to show me that Lesnar has the standing technique to claim the advantage. While he knocked down Herring, which speaks to his strength, he didnt show any head movement, or combos in doing so.
While thin, the edge standing (going in, anyway.. Brock could always show something new) has to go to Carwin. The edge on the ground between two similar styles and skill levels will generally go to the bigger, stronger man, which would be Lesnar. I see the question of the fight being answered by whether Carwin can prevent the takedown (or secure one of his own) long enough to land a decisive punch.
Of course Lesnar could land one first, and when fighters are this big and strong, it will often come down to who lands first. Coin toss, but a VERY slight edge to Carwin, IMO.
His training camp should be 80% Wrestling 20% Boxing, if he's taken down he doesn't have a hope.
I don't hate Lesnar, I wouldn't even go so far as to say I dislike him. I believe we're going to look back in twenty years and point to Lesnar as the catalyst for a change in the way MMA does heavyweights.
I don't mean to take anything away from his win over Frank Mir, he did nothing but good things, I just happen to think that Mir did nothing but bad things as soon as he got on the ground. That aside, knows more about what to do in half-guard, Brock Lesnar or Gabriel Gonzaga?
Hint: Only one of them is a BJJ blackbelt and a Mundials champ. And Carwin popped up a few seconds after being smashed with two strikes better than anything I've seen from the other one, and then reached out and flipped his switch.
Carwin also has bigger hands than Lesnar, with reach negligibly shorter.
brock defintely dwarfs carwin though i used to train at the gym carwin did and hes honeslty not a very big fella though he looks like it in the fights
i stood next to him and hes no six four like is said id say at the least hes five ten and at the most hes six foot maybe
i think brock will win though im a fan of carwin but i think brock has abetter jaw alot of fights carwin gets rocked easily and with a big thanksgiving ham sized fist that lesnar has i think shane will get k'od round one
Guys, I do have something to confess.
I'm fighting Brock Lesnar at UFC 106. I promise a quick and decisive submission/knockout. I'll flying armbar him, and KO him with a kick as I go up.
It'll be spectacular.
A couple of big dudes makes this one tough to call.
I hope that Carwin will come out on top, but eh?
Cain deserves the shot before Carwin, but I still like Carwin fighting Brock.
We're missing the point guys,
I'm getting sex on monday,
**** yes. It didn't even take ANY fucking game at all.
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