This is what I've been trying to get across. And we know Carwin hasn't really earned his title shot either, but the fact is that he's got it, so why bother going on about how he didn't earn it? Won't change anything, just like it didn't change anything when Lesnar beat Couture without "earning" it.
2) I have seen no one calling Carwin the second coming. What I do see is a number of people, myself included, who think he happens to have the right mix of attributes and skills to bring the fight to Lesnar's weaknesses.
Isn't 11-0 much more to earn a title shot than the current champion?
The only useful part of most people's record is the part in the UFC.
Originally Posted by Jakahri
Originally Posted by Hesperus
sure, there's exceptions, like people whose name ends in "machida" or "derson silva", and bigger promotions, like affliction and strikeforce.
i think anyone trying to get past a 12-0 record without signing to a major promo is intent on protecting that streak by fighting nobodies and faded stars, a la boxing.
You're saying that beating up 11 guys with no skill means more than crushing three top ranked fighters. This is plain stupid.
Originally Posted by Jontan937
By the way Carwin supporters have yet to point out one match up where he has fought anyone decent and looked impressive in that fight. He's nothing but a big guy with heavy hands. The matchups hes had were so set up they are almost comical .
To those who have said he has crisp striking or is a good striker, please watch his fights. Two punch combos, no head movement, no foot work. Put him in there against a good striker like Kongo and he will look like a fool. There are guys in the light heavyweight division that would handle him with ease based on his lack of striking ability.
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I think that Carwin will win. He's much more fit than Lesnar, he's probably larger and stronger and faster as well.
I predict that Carwin will win somewhere in the mid time of the match.
I also predict a knock out.
Gonzaga is a guy with skill, and Neil Wain was undefeated till his match with Carwin. Carwin was 8-0 when he entered the ufc, and is 3-0 since.
Originally Posted by mmafan3450
Lesnar entered the UFC at 1-0 (against a nobody), and has posted a 3-1 since. what makes Heath Herring a top ranked fighter? his split decision over Kongo? or maybe being able to turtle against Lesnar for 3 rounds. and a win over a Couture who walked into the cage about 50 pounds lighter than Lesnar is dubious.
reducing Carwin to being "nothing but a big guy with heavy hands" is like reducing Lesnar to being "nothing but a big guy with heavy wrestling". it's just not that simple, or true.
two punch combos: it's a standard combo. if your opponent moves away, why keep swinging? i don't offer any excuse for head movement, but he's shown some footwork.
MMAjunkie dot com ran a story yesterday confirming that "the Engineer" indeed was next for "Cock" Lesnar.
Champ Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin, Tito Ortiz vs. Mark Coleman official for UFC 106
With tickets set to go on sale for UFC 106 later this week, the organization today announced the first two bouts for the Nov. 21 event.
As was previously reported, UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar (4-1 MMA, 3-1 UFC) meets top challenger Shane Carwin (11-0 MMA, 3-0 UFC), while UFC veterans Tito Ortiz (15-6-1 MMA, 14-6-1 UFC) and Mark Coleman (16-9 MMA, 7-4 UFC) meet in a light-heavyweight contest.
"UFC 106: Lesnar vs. Carwin" takes place at Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. The main card airs live on pay per view.
The main event is Lesnar's first title defense after unifying the UFC's heavyweight belts with a UFC 100 win over then-interim champ Frank Mir.
Meanwhile, Carwin will seek his 12th-straight win in addition to the UFC's heavyweight title. The 34-year-old has yet to fight longer than 2:11 in any bout.
Ortiz announced his intentions to fight Coleman in August when he posted a video of him signing and faxing his bout agreement for the fight. The 34-year-old fights for the first time since a May 2008 decision loss to Lyoto Machida.
Coleman, meanwhile, looks to build off his July win over Stephan Bonnar at UFC 100. The victory was Coleman's first since a February 2006 win over Mauricio "Shogun" Rua under the PRIDE banner – and his first in the UFC's octagon since February 1997.
Tickets for UFC 106 are scheduled to go on sale to the general public on Saturday, Sept. 19, at Ticketmaster.com, while UFC Fight Club members will have the first shot at tickets on Thursday, Sept. 17
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Wins in pride are not exactly irrelevant.
Originally Posted by Hesperus
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