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    False edge blows in CSAs

    Hey just curious. Do CMAs teach blows with the false edge or back edge with the Jian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrsmann View Post
    Hey just curious. Do CMAs teach blows with the false edge or back edge with the Jian?
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    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrsmann View Post
    Hey just curious. Do CMAs teach blows with the false edge or back edge with the Jian?

    Maybe I need to explain a little. In Italian longsword the sword we use is sharp on both sides the edge and resembles the blade of the Jian in that it's straight and has sharps edge on both sides. The term "false edge" is used for the edge that is facing backward when holding the sword.

    I'm just curious if you CMA folks use the the backwards facing edge to strike in anyway.

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    Yes. The false edge is used to make backhand cuts or to do a high backhand parry against a thrust and follow up with a high forehand true edge cut. There's also a vertical snapping attack called tiu where the hand is snapped down as the tip is snapped up to attack the underside of the opponent's weapon arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP View Post
    Jian:




    Dao:

    Nan dao

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    Now that I think about it isn't there a "two-handed jian" (don't know much chinese sword terminology) in some CMAs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra View Post
    Yes. The false edge is used to make backhand cuts or to do a high backhand parry against a thrust and follow up with a high forehand true edge cut. There's also a vertical snapping attack called tiu where the hand is snapped down as the tip is snapped up to attack the underside of the opponent's weapon arm.
    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrsmann View Post
    Now that I think about it isn't there a "two-handed jian" (don't know much chinese sword terminology) in some CMAs?
    Yes, there is... 双手剑- literally, double-handed jian.
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    Ew. Simplified.

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    Wow.

    So I stand corrected. See my main experience with bladed weapons is a very small amount with chinese weapons and then always the single edged curving variety. My other experience with edged weapons is primarily knives and with knives the false edge is always dull.

    I didn't realize the edge of a double-edged sword that was facing the user was referred to as a false edge. Does that mean it isn't sharpened?

    In any case, I didn't intend to be a wise-ass, just to clarify.
    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
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    As far as possible, without surrender,
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even to the dull and ignorant;
    they too have their story.

    -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.

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