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    Why is it called Brazilen Jujutsu when really its just japans Judo from a 100 years ago. It dosnt make much sense. All the gracies did is chang a few things , Its really just judo from a long time ago. I mean It should be called Japans Jujutsu not brazil Jujutsu>

    O well what can you do ?

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    it's actually scottish jujitsu. the gracies are immigrated from scotland.

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    The name BJJ is not really bad, given there are pple out there with NO training given their arts Asian names they have now clue about.

    BJJ does come from Judo, Maeda called it Jujutsu to distance it from othordox Kodokan Judo. That is why Jujutsu stuck. And the country of it further development was BRAZIL so it fits. At least the Graices HAS actual training.

    Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!
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    RIP SOLDIER

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    Scottish Jujitsu, I wonder if they have kilt and no-kilt matches? They probably give a new meaning to the triangle choke...

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    People are forgetting the tiny input that HELIO GRACIE had, go and read up on the history.

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    www.kobukaijujitsu.com/sensei6.html

    is the most accurate history on BJJ so far

    BJJ is just Old Kosen Judo, taught to the Gracies by one of the Seven most well known Kosen Judo Master...Mitsuyo Maeda

    Hirata, Maeda, Tomita, Yokoyama, Yamashita, Oda, and Kimura

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    Many of the techniques were modified by Helio as to require technical application over strength.

    "If you have to ask, you'll never know
    Funky mother fuckers will not be told to go."
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias

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    "Scottish Jujitsu, I wonder if they have kilt and no-kilt matches? They probably give a new meaning to the triangle choke"

    i think the japanese pajamas were adopted in lieu of the kilt for that reason. however, when kilts were still used a variety of the caber toss was used as a guard pass.

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    I lived in japan for 3 years and trained in judo and have to say it should be call BJ for brazilian judo. The closed guard wasn't used a lest I didn't see expect when I was doing it.
    They did use an open guard and that is where I learned the triangle , kiamara , key lock, americana but some of the names are changed. There was no shoots but when I tried their grip on my gi didn't allow it any ways.

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    Maeda was a catch wrestler.

    "In one photo, Maeda is shown training without the traditional Japanese gi jacket, and it reveals him using a standard control and submission technique of western catch wrestling-a half nelson and hammer lock. Maeda was a regular competitor in catch wrestling events while in England, and there is no doubt he absorbed what he absorbed what he took to be useful from these arts and incorporated them into this teaching and training."

    Mastering Jujitsu, page 32, Renzo Gracie and John Danaher

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