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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Shaolin Temple
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Style: ex chunner/Muay Thai
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WING CHUN Isn't all sh*t really!
Okay so I read the Attention Wing chun Teachers thread I'm not a teacher myself just a student, I can see a lot of peoples points, and I know the view of wing chun on Bullshido, so I thought I'll give my own view from my training in wing chun.
I mean I'm embarrassed by a lot of the vids on youtube lol, and there's a lot of cnuts out there, but don't judge the whole system/style I think lots of people made money rode the dick of wing chun after bruce lee's death and the initial kung fu boom, and yip man's name. Shit when I started out at one class and then went to another sifu's class the difference was big and painfull and that was in the same organisation.
Now I'm not saying wing chun is teh deadly art, but it is or it should be a good martial art equal to muay thai, boxing, kyokushin etc..as in steet effective, although they are far better for mma, for lots of diff reasons.
So I'm gonna give examples drills/training and ideas or whatever from my experience they might diff or the same as some ex chunners, I don't know but I'm a do it anyway
The head instructor did boxing for years before wing chun. Which I think has had some impact how he teaches and his views on wing chun.
Were always taught keep chin tucked, hands up high protecting head! not chest level, thats just for form.
stance is 50/50/back straight, I know a lot of people think wing chun is immoblie, but I've never found that, well al least the way I been taught it.
Moving: when stepping back, we don't back leg then drag front foot, we step back of front foot, not dragging feet, but almost like a hop, it's fast thats the point, as opposed to other method.
we light spar last 30 mins of every class, light spar for skill development, which is the sme method that is done at the muay thai school, although we can hit each other hard, by light I mean we're going all out speed, we hard spar every 4th class for 2 hours
chi sao is only a drill to build sensitivity and force and it's not about throwing punches faster than superman co_es! and chi sao competitions are stupid, it's a two man training tool, for each person.
then there's lot sao, which is keeping one hand in contact and hitting each other - i'm trying to explain(sorry) it's like clinch training in muay thai. I said LIKE lol
we do a drill were, someone stands in the middle surroumded by 8 or whatever number of people, and each one attacks starting one at a time, then very fast, randomly using any attack they want, roundhouse kick, hook, muay thia front kick, haymaker etc. Sometimes u get smacked on ya head, but it's fun.
something else, the instructor( a big guy) will put on boxing gloves, and throw single punches boxing style, for a time, then 2 punches, then combos, then just all out onslaught, what's the point, well getting used to being hit ,which is a reality, and no head guard on, learning to relax, not breaking under heavy pressure, footwork, and keeping your guard up, defo! Learning to redirect the force!
Trapping is something I did in the start having fast hands, then as I switched to a new class/new instructors that changed, punches in the face can do that lol. Watchin the class doing chi sao, you hardly see any trapping as in the flashy techniques, and trapping my instructor always told achieves nothing, you still have to something, so It's not something we have any focus on. why trap an arm when you can punch?
The idea of using gan sao against a knee is crazy, the legs deal with waist/low kicks, and theres counter kicking, no I never did chi gerk.
I was always taught to have respect for boxers, and not underestimate the power of a jab, so the way I been taught to pak sao, is almost similtaneous, control the hand ,before striking because you can't catch a jab! The instructors I learn from, have always said that sparring with boxers they've been caught and hurt, and I know this myself now. You can't outbox a boxer!
Punching the vertical fist punch has or should have power in it, and that transferes to punching horizontal fist(boxing etc) just keeping elbows in tight/ish against body and not pointing out, or a straight jab, wing chun pivots to punch rather than turning hip, but that's better for footwork/structure reasons for a wing chun fighter, that doesn't mean they can't use hip rotation.
Chain punching a lotta people subsitute speed for power, I've always been taught that if he's still standing after 5 chain punches do something else lol and chain punching should be done after an initial opening, like you lap soa
and punch, then chain punch,
Even if your a mma fighter, a muay thai stand up game, wing chun is useful yeah your not gonna change your standup of course that would be stupid, chi sao is a great tool/drill for a mma fighter to have/do, who can argue that having good sensitivity in your arms is bad? or dealing with force as in close range someone heavier, or from your back on the mat, controlling arms(not trapping) is'nt useful. I'm just giving this an example,
Aight so typing is started to do my heads on lol, but if someone disagrees which I'm sure will happen, I'm open to other opinions, I don't even mind hate if its funny!
Right I know I wrote the way I been taught a lot, it's probably annoying but I phrased this as best I could!
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