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  1. catfishaggie is offline

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    Below is the transcript from the fight video. In it the victim is referred to as KFG or Kung Fu Guy. Feel free to edit if I missed something or misspelled a term. I will work on the black belt video tonight and tomorrow and should hope to have it completed by the end of the weekend. The transcript is also saved as a Microsoft Word and Adobe PDF. It is long but I left the spaces in for readability.

    Blythe : And huh, he’s a master (points at k.f.g)

    KFG: (nods head) inaudible but it was a confirmation

    Blythe: You’re a master correct?

    KFG: (inaudible, sound did not pick up what was said)

    Blythe: You’re a what?

    KFG: Shintokan priest

    Blythe: Shindukan priest?

    KFG: Shinto

    Blythe: Shintokan(please correct, edit please all Japanese mistakes) priest…he’s a priest, yeah he’s a priest

    Blythe: and uh…he’s here to teach you spiritual movements…..ok

    Blythe: Trying to get your body and your mind (audio skip) together, right John?

    Blythe: You’re willing to know that right? (faces off camera nods and appears to smile)

    Blythe: and huh, like I say this gentleman is a master, huh he has no master

    KFG: My master is Jesus Christ

    Blythe: His master is Jesus Christ

    Blythe: uh, and he got promoted by Jesus Christ, right?

    KFG: Well

    Blythe: To tenth degree red belt

    KFG: (inaudible) tiger sir, the tiger is the symbol for Jesus Christ

    KFG: (points at forearm) Here is the tiger (continues pointing at forearm)

    Blythe: We’re all in here for knowledge, aren’t we(looks to Dennis)

    Blythe: We’re all in here for knowledge, aren’t we gentlemen

    Blythe: (points off screen) Thank you very much.

    Dennis: Listen up ya’ll, sensei is talking to y’all

    Blythe: Yeah, huh, this guy huh like I say is a priest is a tenth degree red belt and who did you say promoted you to tenth degree red belt?

    KFG: Jesus Christ

    Blythe: Jesus did

    Blythe: Uh, ok, I know everyone of us would like to be taught be someone that has been taught by Jesus

    Blythe: Correct John

    John: Absolutely

    Blythe: Because I can guarantee you that’s got to be some movements to behold, right

    KFG: Well, I won’t brag or anything like that (could not make out)

    Blythe: Ok, demonstrate on him

    KFG: Well, I won’t demonstrate on him, I will demonstrate around him

    Blythe: Go ahead and demonstrate around him

    Blythe moves off screen

    KFG: You can just stand there, do not make any movement whatsoever I will not touch you

    KFG: Well, actually I..I think it would best maybe if perhaps if I just perform which is known in karate as kata

    Blythe (off screen): We’re all interested in that aren’t we gentlemen

    Students: Yes sir, yes sensei (faint and multiple voices)

    KFG: Do you feel threatened?

    KFG: I..I just wish to teach you, I don’t wish to hurt you

    Dennis: Teach me

    KFG: Well, what you must do, is to, just basically focus on the hands, your two hands and your two feet, stand straight…this way
    (Blythe starts walking towards the back of the dojo as he walks past Dennis)

    Dennis: Like this? (Dennis proceeds to give KFG a front kick immediately)

    Dennis and KFG exchange blows

    KFG: Don’t do that anymore

    Dennis and KFG begins another exchange

    KFG: No, just don’t do that

    Dennis: kihaps after front kick

    Off Camera (source unknown): Good

    KFG: I’m not a fighter

    Dennis and KFG begin another set of exchanges

    KFG goes down

    Dennis: (grunts) ************

    KFG: You’re good

    Dennis: Huh?

    KFG: You’re good

    Off Camera (source unknown): Don’t grab at his tie (inaudible) there

    Off Camera (source unknown..woman): tv, tv

    KFG: You got it ok, you got it, you got it

    Off Camera (source unknown..woman): What you gonna do(audio breaks off)

    Blythe: Ok, ok, boy that’s good, drag him out the back door

    Blythe: Drag him out the back door

    Blythe: Take that, get that uh, I want the sash

    Dennis: Yeah, get my sash

    Cut to next day

    Blythe(off camera): What we have right here is the trail of the kung fu master…as he is departing my dojo

    Blythe (off camera): This was taking on 13 December 1984, 7 p.m.

    Blythe (off camera): And of course this is where he got drug out at

    Blythe (off camera): Some of the blood on the backdoor.
    Last edited by catfishaggie; 8/21/2009 1:24pm at . Reason: took a couple of extra spaces out
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleoldme View Post
    It's not my job or the job of anyone here to establish any person's guilt or innocence, just to pass on whatever data we can harvest on to the appropriate investigating agencies and / or the press if they don't show appropriate enthusiasm for investigating, and leave the rest to them and the courts.
    While it is not our job to establish anyone's guilt or innocence in a legal sense, it certainly is our job to establish the truth. Be discreet and thoughtful, but do post the info you have when the time is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfishaggie View Post
    Below is the transcript from the fight video. In it the victim is referred to as KFG or Kung Fu Guy. Feel free to edit if I missed something or misspelled a term. I will work on the black belt video tonight and tomorrow and should hope to have it completed by the end of the weekend. The transcript is also saved as a Microsoft Word and Adobe PDF. It is long but I left the spaces in for readability.
    Quote Originally Posted by fixed
    Blythe : And huh, he’s a master (points at k.f.g)

    KFG: (nods head) inaudible but it was a confirmation

    Blythe: You’re a master correct?

    KFG: (inaudible, sound did not pick up what was said)

    Blythe: You’re a what?

    KFG: Shintokan priest

    Blythe: Shindukan priest?

    KFG: Shinto

    Blythe: Shintokan(please correct, edit please all Japanese mistakes) priest…he’s a priest, yeah he’s a priest

    Blythe: and uh…he’s here to teach you spiritual movements…..ok

    Blythe: Trying to get your body and your mind (audio skip) together, right John?

    Blythe: You’re willing to know that right? (faces off camera nods and appears to smile)

    Blythe: and huh, like I say this gentleman is a master, huh he has no master

    KFG: My master is Jesus Christ

    Blythe: His master is Jesus Christ

    Blythe: uh, and he got promoted by Jesus Christ, right?

    KFG: Well

    Blythe: To tenth degree red belt

    KFG: (inaudible) tiger sir, the tiger is the symbol for Jesus Christ

    KFG: (points at forearm) Here is the tiger (continues pointing at forearm)

    Blythe: We’re all in here for knowledge, aren’t we(looks to Dennis)

    Blythe: We’re all in here for knowledge, aren’t we gentlemen

    Blythe: (points off screen) Thank you very much.

    Dennis: Listen up ya’ll, sensei is talking to y’all

    Blythe: Yeah, huh, this guy huh like I say is a priest is a tenth degree red belt and who did you say promoted you to tenth degree red belt?

    KFG: Jesus Christ

    Blythe: Jesus did

    Blythe: Uh, ok, I know everyone of us would like to be taught be someone that has been taught by Jesus

    Blythe: Correct John

    John: Absolutely

    Blythe: Because I can guarantee you that’s got to be some movements to behold, right

    KFG: Well, I won’t brag or anything like that (could not make out)

    Blythe: Ok, demonstrate on him

    KFG: Well, I won’t demonstrate on him, I will demonstrate around him

    Blythe: Go ahead and demonstrate around him

    Blythe moves off screen

    KFG: You can just stand there, do not make any movement whatsoever I will not touch you

    KFG: Well, actually I..I think it would best maybe if perhaps if I just perform which is known in karate as kata

    Blythe (off screen): We’re all interested in that aren’t we gentlemen

    Students: Yes sir, yes sensei (faint and multiple voices)

    KFG: Do you feel threatened?

    KFG: I..I just wish to teach you, I don’t wish to hurt you

    Dennis: Teach me

    KFG: Well, what you must do, is to, just basically focus on the hands, your two hands and your two feet, stand straight…this way
    (Blythe starts walking towards the back of the dojo as he walks past Dennis)

    Dennis: Like this? (Dennis proceeds to give KFG a front kick immediately)

    Dennis and KFG exchange blows

    KFG: Don’t do that anymore

    Dennis and KFG begins another exchange

    KFG: No, just don’t do that

    Dennis: kihaps after front kick

    KFG: Good

    KFG: I’m not a fighter

    Dennis and KFG begin another set of exchanges

    KFG goes down

    Dennis: (grunts) ************

    KFG: You’re good

    Dennis: Huh?

    KFG: You’re good

    KFG: Don’t grab my tie bitch thats...(inaudible) there

    Off Camera (source unknown..woman): tv, tv

    KFG: You got it ok, you got it, you got it

    Off Camera (source unknown..woman): What you gonna do(audio breaks off)

    BSD (blue shirt dude): Hold it, hold it, hold it...

    Blythe: Ok, ok, Willis that’s good. Drag him out the back door

    Blythe: Drag him out the back door

    Blythe: Take that, get that uh, I want the sash

    Dennis: Yeah, get my sash

    Cut to next day

    Blythe(off camera): What we have right here is the trail of the kung fu master…as he is departing my dojo

    Blythe (off camera): This was taking on 13 December 1984, 7 p.m.

    Blythe (off camera): And of course this is where he got drug out at

    Blythe (off camera): Some of the blood on the backdoor.
    Good work. Corrections in red.
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    Thanks W.W. I'll get the file corrected and saved in case ya'll need a copy without having to dig through forum during write up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post

    I think it is worth examining the hypothesis that:

    the man knew he was expected to fight, then tried to beg off with just a kata demonstration,
    This is inconsistent with Blythe's and the victim's behavior. Blythe introduced the victim as a priest who would be demonstrating spiritual movements allegedly taught by Jesus. He also responds affirmatively to the victim saying that he will "Not demonstrate ON him, but around him." And finally, the victim instructs Dennis not to make any movements and that he will not touch him, and that he only wishes to teach him. Blythe earlier says twice "We are all here for knowledge aren't we gentlemen?" further indicating that there would be a demonstration and not a match.


    That he called for Mr Dennis to stop kicking him in the groin because he considered it an illegal blow (as it would be in knock-down Karate)
    This makes sense but is not congruent with the victim's claim during the escalation: "I'm not a fighter!" which implies that he did not want to fight but to teach and demonstrate.


    that Mr Dennis became enraged at some point, perhaps after being dropped by a kick

    that Mr Dennis then escalated the conflict beyond the bounds of a Kyokushin style match by striking the head, and fighting on the ground

    None of this excuses the deplorable last few seconds of the fight, but IMO it casts the conflict in a different light, and bears whether it was a set up, or a challenge match gone horribly wrong.
    Dennis' body language and tonality indicated that he was anticipating combat from the very beginning of the video. He also sneak-attacked the victim while he was still giving instructions for what he (according to his body language) seems to have thought was going to be a demonstration. The idea that all parties knew that this was going to be a match is not congruent with the victim's, Dennis' and Blythe's behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfishaggie View Post
    Thanks W.W. I'll get the file corrected and saved in case ya'll need a copy without having to dig through forum during write up.
    There was a guy on this thread earlier today who says he does professional video work. We talked about the possibility of addint the transcript as subtitles. Can you read back a bit and hock up with that dude?

    Again, nice work.
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    Weather report for Quantico, Virginia on December 14th:

    http://www.almanac.com/weatherhistor...035&wban=13773

    Low temp: 42.1°
    Meaning that's the lowest temperature the victim would have been exposed to, if he was left in the dumpster all night. No precipitation, only fog.

    If I'm a newb not contributing anything, let me know and I'll simply lurk.
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    For the transcript the victim appears to ask Dennis "What's your problem?" as Dennis raises the victim's foot up just before pushing him against the wall. You can't hear him say "problem" because the audio is edited. You can hear the woman begin to say something just before the audio is edited out. She may have used a curse word and it was edited out just as "fucker" was edited out earlier in the video.

    Also Dennis says "Speak up, ya'll hear sensei talkin' to ya'll" not "Listen up...."
    Last edited by Elsydeon; 8/21/2009 3:52pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealTalk1984 View Post
    Oh and one more thing.......guess who was video taping it!!!LMAO!No idea huh?
    Who? Someone in law enforcement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post

    I am going to begin to lay out some of the information my source has given me, minus information that reveals their identity:

    6. The original dojo address was either 121 or 221 Fraley Blvd, Dumfries.
    Are they certain? I looked on the street view for that location and didn't see any buildings that would match up and the one building that may be considered that address looks too old to be something that would replace the dojo.

    I still think it was in the Dumfries Shopping Plaza. I'm pretty sure at least several of the clips from the Action Investigations piece was filmed there. The general look of the building fronts match up with the one shot in the piece where the three woman walk out of Blythe's studio I forget the exact time but its mid way through the video right after they are doing push ups. Has anyone been able to get better shots of the buildings in the plaza and maybe even out back?

    War Wheel, can your source look at the street views of the two locations and tell us definitively? They are both on Fraley and numbers can get mixed up over the years.

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