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    Measurements...

    Ok, at frame (2:56) WD and KFG are at the same distance from the camera, standing upright and facing each other. Here are my measurements in millimeters...

    KFG= 120 mm
    WD= 112 mm

    KFG's measurement divided by WD measurement = 1.0714285 multiplied by 69 = 73.928566 inches

    73.928566 divided by 12 inches = 6.16 which is 6 feet 1.5 inches for KFG's actual height.

    The FBI site states that John Doe was 5'7 to 5'8" tall.
    If John Doe was 5'7-5'8" than he was about 3 to 4 and a half inches shorter than KFG. That's a pretty big difference wouldn't you say? There are alot of similarities between John Doe and KFG but there's a BIG difference in height and that poses the problem of these two not being the same person unfortunately. Do you agree Matt?
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    Matt, will you please post the frame that I'm referring to on here (2:56) as I'm not sure how to do it. It would make it easier for others to see what I'm talking about without them having to look at that video again.

    all throughout the video it's obvious that KFG is much taller than WD. WD is 5'9".
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    3 to 4 inches is not a big deal. 50 pounds is a big deal.
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    Not a Big Deal?

    Why is 3.5 to 4.5 inches "not a big deal?" Seems way more relevant than guessing the weight of skeletal remains.
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    if KFG height is 6' and 1/2" and John Doe's height is 5'7" to 5'8", than the difference in height between these two men would actually be 5 and 1/2 to 6 and 1/2 inches....
    6 inches is a huge difference in height between these two men!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ListenPlease View Post
    Ok, at frame (2:56) WD and KFG are at the same distance from the camera, standing upright and facing each other. Here are my measurements in millimeters...

    KFG= 120 mm
    WD= 112 mm

    KFG's measurement divided by WD measurement = 1.0714285 multiplied by 69 = 73.928566 inches

    73.928566 divided by 12 inches = 6.16 which is 6 feet 1.5 inches for KFG's actual height.

    The FBI site states that John Doe was 5'7 to 5'8" tall.
    If John Doe was 5'7-5'8" than he was about 3 to 4 and a half inches shorter than KFG. That's a pretty big difference wouldn't you say? There are alot of similarities between John Doe and KFG but there's a BIG difference in height and that poses the problem of these two not being the same person unfortunately. Do you agree Matt?
    As long as no one (The police, you, the coroner, etc) made a mistake, then it's a safe bet that John Doe can't be KFG, despite the obvious facial similarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    As long as no one (The police, you, the coroner, etc) made a mistake, then it's a safe bet that John Doe can't be KFG, despite the obvious facial similarity.
    Okay, I just didn't want this investigation to stop because KFG and John Doe/John Hardy ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.

    I really had hoped that they were because that would mean that KFG lived. Unfortunately, KFG has still not been found yet.
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    Either way you don't have corpus delecti.

    Also, the wrinkle in your analysis of the remains is that of John Doe's severe malnutrition and bone deterioration. Bones can shrink and decay. He could have lost a lot of bone mass in 12 years. Sorry, I think its him, too many similarities.
    I don't think the bones shrunk 6 inches in length, even if they were there for 12 years. I don't believe the skeletal remains were under the bridge for 12 years undetected, in a major metropolitan area. Sorry, it seems like you're reaching...

    Yeah, It sucks, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuAbel View Post
    Either way you don't have corpus delecti.

    Also, the wrinkle in your analysis of the remains is that of John Doe's severe malnutrition and bone deterioration. Bones can shrink and decay. He could have lost a lot of bone mass in 12 years. Sorry, I think its him, too many similarities.
    Also, John Doe/John Hardy was found with 2 pair of pants size 34-32 and 34-29 so he was a short man. He also wore a size 9 shoe. KFG at 6' 1.5" Must've had a bigger foot than a size 9. KFG was tall.
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    In regards to the pant sizes. I'm over 6 feet tall and wear 34/34 jeans.

    And over time, soft skeletal tissue can dry out and compress. As to the am mount of compression, I can't say. Just reciting a bit of knowledge I have from temping in a mortuary.

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