Don't get me wrong, Steve, I am open to any "proof" of something like that. I started training under BL in 1970 at EKU in Model High School Gym. I stayed with him and ST until I turned my clubs over to my senior student in 1996. I severed all ties with that organization in 2002 and renewed my contact with ST brother, Hiang. I have been independent since 2005. Now, over that time I am aware of many of the SD skeletons. However, I have never heard any of the Shotokan, Four Seasons or Grandmaster stuff about BL. I am pretty sure BL has no love at all for Four Seasons and David.
Well,, you have already said you are aware of his past involvement in one of the largest and most violent cocaine smuggling rings in the country, so for me to prove he taught Shotokan in 1982 seems kind of irrelevant. I didn't know David at Four Seasons, at that time I was studying TKD under Jeff Clark and was teaching Shito-Ryu at the Richmond Rec Center
How about you just say it is what you heard or I have no proof.
Originally Posted by steve8k
I've known Bill Leonard for over 35 years, and no...he has NEVER taught at Four Seasons. I am also very familiar with Richmond, KY, and EKU, having attended the university there, as well as belonging to EM Bob Green's Richmond club.
I have personally witnessed EML stand directly in front of a Four Seasons Black Belt who was easily 6 inches taller, 50 pounds heavier, and decades younger...and who was, (for some obscure reason), challenging SD students to a throw down. However, when confronted by a clearly taut EML who actually touched his chest against the much bigger guy, the young man turned several shades of pale, and couldn't get out quick enough.
EML has never, to my knowledge, been overly tolerant of horseshit.
As far as SD fighters...I have stated before that since the advent of the Sportscenter, where SD became more of a business, out of necessity...the fighting ability levels dropped overall. This happens in any MA when it becomes so large. Don't be mistaken, or make stereotypical judgements. There are many, many serious SD practitioners, who could easily hold their own anywhere.
IIF said it best...most of the loud mouths on this forum have been 1st Blacks or thereabouts, although I admit to getting riled up a bit myself when I first got on here and read some of the nonsense.
This may be a belated response, BUT.....
I cannot attest to the value of Shaolin Do as an art-
But as for lineage...its actually laughable for ANYONE who has studies Chan (Chinese Zen) history or the history of Chinese martial arts.
First, in response to the monuments at the temples:
The Shaolin Temples today are not occupied by traditional shaolin monks, they are occupied by Wushu practitioners. There is little if any authentic Shaolin Gong Fu taught at the temples...so getting a monument in your honor for being a grandmaster is like getting a PhD in physics from McDonalds
second point on the monuments-Sin Kwang The made a sizeable donation to the temples...thats why those monuments exist...kind of like having a library named after you at a university...its not because you have mastered all the knowledge in the books, but because you are a philanthropist
Another point: No such thing as a "grandmaster" in traditional Shaolin Gong Fu. The modeled this from Japanese MA and the popular David Carradine movies which were quite popular when he first came to the US.
(I am not going to touch on the intricacies of the obvious lies The has told, these have already been discussed in plenty of places)
YouTube- Shaolin Do Lexington Tournament 2008 Brown Belt Sparring
Originally Posted by tswitzerd
oh god no i bet i wouldn't get out of ky alive
@the above video. Ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
that was awesome. and I thought the art of being a clown was dead.
Those two "fighters" in the video can't be any younger than 55?
White belts at the Gold's Gym up the road spar harder than that, and they only spar ~1 a month.
What is with the weird emphasis on veganism?