Thread: Guard pass compilation
8/03/2009 4:07pm, #11
8/03/2009 5:01pm, #12
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Not weighting them down well enough seems to be my biggest issue. Particularly their upper body. If a guy is really long and can sit up on you, it gets a little sticky. I found that if I slid down low to kill the guys hips as Garcia demonstrates, some guys could still sit up enough on me that I felt tippy if I reached back to pop their guard.
Really bearing down on them with your shoulder/chest a bit higher up, which Tozi points out a little more specifically seemed to give me much better results. It keeps them more stable, and less likely to sit up on you. It generally made me feel more stable when I consciously kept applying this pressure to their top end.
The point at which you reach back to pop the legs definitely feels most precarious to me in my limited experience with the pass. I feel very much on edge. If guys could sit up on me right here, it fucked up the pass. If guys released their guard and put their top side foot down on the mat to drive and heist right at that point, it fucked up the pass.
I only started playing with this pass in my last few classes, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I definitely wouldn't say that I have it down yet, and these are just my initial observations having played around with it for a few nights.
8/03/2009 5:23pm, #13
I'm having pretty much the same problem with the ChimChim/etc pass. All my weight is in my legs so it's hard to keep them from creating space.
8/03/2009 5:24pm, #14
Thank's, that's what I figured watching the instructional too.
8/03/2009 6:19pm, #15
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8/03/2009 7:18pm, #16
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Hedge, I think that photo is of a pass or variation that he currently uses a lot. He's considering trying another style pass, which would be the no-posture variation that he gives the links to.
8/03/2009 8:32pm, #17
8/03/2009 8:37pm, #18
Hmmm, do yo ever X-pass? Sounds strange but when I was using all the double under style passes this is what I would combine it with and switch back and forth between. I will have to sit and think about the details since all I do now is kneeride to leg attack or kneeride to side.
I will post some of my details up tomorrow, but let me know if you use this and what happens when/if you do.
(EDIT: So I just went and looked up X-pass and what I learned to call the X-pass is not what everyone else calls it. The X-pass that I know you grab the inside of the pant leg around the knee area thumb down, back out and frame all of your weight onto their legs pinning them to the ground
then just pick a side to walk around and use your near side shoulder to jam into their solar plexus
then finish into side)
(2nd Edit: If we can get JNP in here he knows the same technique I am talking about and he might point out different ideas...I just got home from class and my brain is a bit moooshey)
8/03/2009 8:54pm, #19
Anyway, this in one of my go-to passes, even against guys who know my game. Three things Cavalcante doesn't say explicitly about making it work (but which are probably obvious to the experienced guys on this thread):
1. Shoulder pressure on the top leg is the key to avoiding any offense on the part of the person whose guard is being passed. Letting it up will allow him to shrimp out, spin for subs, &c.
2. The grip on the sleeve/lapel is required to prevent the bottom man from scooting away from the pass in a circle. He usually won't escape that way, but he'll make the top man work much harder, maybe tiring him out.
3. If it starts to go badly part way through, the top man can plant his head on the floor and hop over to side control from the back.“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
8/03/2009 11:18pm, #20
Do you ever try the bullfighter passes? What sort of guards do people play at your club - open, sitting, closed?