Thread: Brock vs. Fedor Arguement
8/03/2009 6:49am, #21
8/03/2009 7:09am, #22
While I am not a huge Brock fan you have to take into account that the man is big, strong, fast, aggressive and a damn good wrestler. Every day that the fight is delayed is a day in which his other skills are improving. Even with only moderate striking and jiu jitsu skills he is going to be major player for a long time.
8/03/2009 7:10am, #23
Or until people figure him out ala Tito, Matt Hughes and a host of others over the years.
8/03/2009 10:25am, #24
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Why do people keep bringing up the Arlovski fight as proof that Fedor is weak on his feet? Arlovski did next to no damage to him. Seems to me that Fedor was simply waiting for him to make a mistake rather than go on an early heavy offensive himself, like he did against Sylvia. It paid off - Arlovski made his mistake and paid for it. He never had Fedor in any danger.
Brock is a one-trick pony, but it's a 265 pound pony with more horsepower than a tank. Fedor does not have especially good takedown defense and would get taken down and hammerfisted into oblivion if they fought. If he is to beat Lesnar, I'd say he'd have to do it standing.
8/03/2009 10:35am, #25Not disputing the rest of your post, but in the four real fights Brock has had, in which the majority of time was indeed spent in top position, when has he ever thrown an effective series of elbows?
The 'legal elbows disadvantage the ex-Pride fighter' argument seems to overlook to fact that a guy whose career was highlighted by vicious ground and pound would be even more vicious with the use of his own elbows.
Why do people keep bringing up the Arlovski fight as proof that Fedor is weak on his feet?
However, Fedor's shitty striking doesn't need any introduction, it sucks in every one of his fights. He's the Dan Henderson of the HWs. Yes, he can KO people. No he is not a technical striker. AT ALL.
8/03/2009 2:47pm, #26
8/03/2009 2:50pm, #27
Taking his last two fights for example, he was breaking even with Arlovski before knocking him dead, and Sylvia lasted all of.. what twenty seconds on the feet?
I'm aware that Sylvia isn't as feared a striker as he usd to be, but I'd still put his striking skills well ahead of Brock's.
By contrast, lets look at Brock's last couple fights. He had nothing for Couture standing, and in the second Mir fight, Brock aknowledged being hurt by the half assed knee Frank threw at him.
To say that Fedor could never in a million years put Brock off balance with his hands, and either by knockdown, or takedown put him on the ground on bottom? Lets be realistic. Brock is an excellent wrestler, whose size and athleticism make it a very bad night for anyone he can get on top of.
However, his stand up has looked mediocre at best in his fights to date and while he can still improve, Fedor has dominated more top level strikers than Brock has had fights.
8/03/2009 3:00pm, #28
Fedor's more explosive than Frank Mir's ever been, and with a(n at least) comparable bottom game. He's just better everywhere else and didn't have to rely on winning fights from there.
8/03/2009 4:09pm, #29
8/03/2009 5:27pm, #30
No. He did not "hold his own" against Fedor. It's very clear that Fedor ALLOWED Arlovski to pepper him with some strikes that would do nothing, avoided anything important and then seemingly, at will, broke Arlovski with a strike so hard it changed the direction of his inertia.
By the way, it's not really known, but right before this fight, Fedor had been making a movie in Asia and sort of forgot about the fight until the very last minute, didn't train for it, and then flew in, weighed in, won, then went back to filming his movie.
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