Various strawmen

**GBlues** · Posted On: 5/31/2009 5:06pm

I've been in a lot of fights growing up. I've trained in various systems off and on over the years, and I have to tell you I have one question on here for everybody that brings up the druggies.

What does your system do when you face a "Super-Human" that's jacked up on pcp and you don't have a taser?

Why is there such a problem with hitting targets and getting reactions out of it? I keep seeing "You can't rely on the fact that your going to get a specific reaction out of somebody." WHy not? Kenpo does. It's been around for a long time. I don't see anybody bringing it up on this thread as bullshit, why not?

Why is it such a bad thing to train to destroy vital targets to the body? Isn't that what it's about? If it's not why train? If you can't rely on any system out there to teach what you need to know to survive, why train at all? Just stay home and live in a bubble. Right?

No system is full proof. There are always what if's, and the reality is the what if's don't matter. Somebody will say that they do but they don't. THe very instant you get an injury, you destroy something life alteringly so, everything changes. The what if's the he can take a shot to the nades etc.... it all changes. The simple reality is, injury is different than pain. You can shrug off pain. You destroy something in the human body and it's real hard to keep going on a broken ankle, or knee.

Last but not least, you will fight the way you train. If you train with rules, that is the way you will fight. If you train to let a guy go when he taps, you will do that in a fight. If you train a gun disarm, and give it back to your partner to practice with again. In real life, when you take the gun away you'll give it back. Just happened to a cop not that long ago. So training with rules saying, "Well, I can kick to the groin if I have to, I just don't because we have rules. I could shove my finger in your eyeball socket, but I don't because were sparring." If you never train to fight that way, in real life you won't. Yeah, they are available to everyone, but if you don't train to use them, you simply won't. Because the reality is, you've trained to fight without them, and so they aren't available to you. Muscle memory means a lot in a fight. Because you simply don't have time to think. Everything has to be automatic. If you've trained with rules, that's what automatic, not the stuff that's going to end the fight quickly. Period, end of discussion.

**Burningman** · Posted On: 7/31/2009 7:59am

This thread needs to be revived! I joined bullshido from my research of TFT. I just watched the 1st 2 hours of the TFT strike program, the 2 instructors repeat over and over again the core principles of TFT. I am just as skeptical as the next guy in here. What I get is this,

The maximum kinetic energy you can impose on a target is your body weight i.e. MASS X VELOCITY, which is going to be lesser than "musculatur". I am thinking about those guys who breaks bricks with fists and forehead. This concept of MASS>MUSCLE obviously do not apply to these brickbreakers martial artist.

In defence however, their philosophy is such that in a teeth and nail fight to the death, when it has come down to that, you commit 100% to your attack. If your 100% is not enough, you die. But it is your best chance of survival. Defending yourself is not important because the person who can inflict an injury 1st is the one who survive. Even if you sustain a gorged eye, broken rib, etc, it does not matter if you incapacitate the attacker before he kills you. Of course nobody has 100% accuracy, if the attacker is faster and stronger and more skilled than you, no system and training will help you.

**lockfield** · Posted On: 7/31/2009 7:00pm

Originally Posted by Burningman

In defence however, their philosophy is such that in a teeth and nail fight to the death, when it has come down to that, you commit 100% to your attack. If your 100% is not enough, you die. But it is your best chance of survival. Defending yourself is not important because the person who can inflict an injury 1st is the one who survive. Even if you sustain a gorged eye, broken rib, etc, it does not matter if you incapacitate the attacker before he kills you. Of course nobody has 100% accuracy, if the attacker is faster and stronger and more skilled than you, no system and training will help you.

1st to injure wins? tell that to those two boys i've seen fighting two years ago. one was shot to the chest while he was swinging his club. crushed his opponent's windpipe. 1 DOTS, 1 DOA.

please don't talk absolutes on the nature of combat. if that is your mindset and you try to instill it on others, a time will come where you'll be DEAD wrong.:dead:

**Burningman** · Posted On: 7/31/2009 10:40pm

What is DOTS? In your case, both attackers struck at the same time.

**lockfield** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 5:22am

DOTS: shorthand here for dead on the spot.

no, man with gun shot first, hit squarely on chest. about 5 meters between them. other guy swings, aiming for the head, gets another bullet on gut while hits man with gun twice on the other arm and side of throat. man with gsw never reaches the 'ambulance'(what passes as one here) alive. other one hit on throat dies in ER.

so don't think first hit to injure wins. it's the one to first neutralize the threat without sustaining damage wins.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 11:45am

Cull:
Target Focus Training - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

**MMAMickey** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 11:57am

Originally Posted by GBlues

What does your system do when you face a "Super-Human" that's jacked up on pcp and you don't have a taser?

I stop playing dungeons and dragons

Originally Posted by A gradually stupider GBlues

Just stay home and live in a bubble. Right?

But how would you breathe?

Originally Posted by A reasonably retarded GBlues

No system is fool proof.

Apparently neither is this forum

Originally Posted by An overweight karate instructor GBlues

You destroy something in the human body and it's real hard to keep going on a broken ankle, or knee.

what if you don't break something they're standing on?

Originally Posted by A complete fucking cretin

Last but not least, you will fight the way you train. If you train with rules, that is the way you will fight. If you train to let a guy go when he taps, you will do that in a fight. If you train a gun disarm, and give it back to your partner to practice with again. In real life, when you take the gun away you'll give it back. Just happened to a cop not that long ago.

Really?.. perhaps I just read it wrong, after all it's getting hard to keep reading through the stench of **** coming from this post

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 12:07pm

Gee I thought you knew. The street is kryptonite to ring fighters. You know, cause Mike Tyson, has sued so many people for beating his ass outside of the ring.

**MMAMickey** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 12:13pm

yeah and so many police officers have been shot due to disarming, and then re-arming robbers.. occasionally while offering to pay for their dry cleaning

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 8/01/2009 12:17pm

Two statements here confuse me.

Originally Posted by GBlues

Why is there such a problem with hitting targets and getting reactions out of it? I keep seeing "You can't rely on the fact that your going to get a specific reaction out of somebody." WHy not? Kenpo does. It's been around for a long time. I don't see anybody bringing it up on this thread as bullshit, why not?

You are aware that "Kenpo" is just the japanese pronunciation of 拳法，（quanfa, lit. "fist method"), which is a catch all term for unarmed combat; much like you might have a 语法 (yufa, "speech-method", grammar) or a 做法 (zuofa, "doing method", or methodology of practice).
What I'm trying to say is, no, "Kenpo" hasn't been around for a long time because "Kenpo" isn't a specific martial art; it's just another word for martial arts. Attributing any attributes (such as hitting certain targets to elicit a certain reaction) to "Kenpo" as though it were a single tradition is a misuse of that word.

Originally Posted by GBlues

Last but not least, you will fight the way you train. If you train with rules, that is the way you will fight. If you train to let a guy go when he taps, you will do that in a fight.

Now, this is interesting; so when you train a strangulation technique, do you make your partner pass out each and every time? When you practice a armlock, do you break your oppponent's arm each and every time?