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  1. Hesperus is offline
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    Functional Martial Arts?

    EMA? Effective?

    AMA? Actual? Applied?

    I kinda think we need to grow out of the term martial art, anyway. There's nothing wrong with the term, it is properly descriptive. It's just that when I say martial art, what 95% of the people in the world think is not what I mean.
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    Wait. Argumento we draw a line between TMA and combat sports. Although since MA is constantly evolving and that with modern technology traditional uses of MA has been obsolete (almost), the line is non existant except for the differences at the extreme ends of the spectrum. It is further confusing because us contact sport fighters like to call impractical arts TMA. Well, do you think modern TKD is TMA? Isn't it more of a "sport" even if arguably is even less effective than kung-fu, most karate, etc?

    Basically, I see a trend to labeling ineffective arts "TMA."

    Lets think about this before we go further.

    I personally think we should render dichotomy obsolete, since so many "TMA" schools have adopted full-contact training. In fact, we have a word for ineffective TMA. Bullshido. Okay, the word might be too strong for this since it alludes to fraud. How about no-contact arts? NCA? lol.
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    Ugh. I made some bad mistakes in my previous post. here is the edited version:

    Wait. Argumento we draw a line between TMA and combat sports. Although since MA is constantly evolving and that with modern technology traditional uses of MA has been obsolete (almost), the line is non existant except for the differences at the extreme ends of the spectrum. It is further confusing because us contact sport fighters like to call non-competitive (non "sport") arts TMA. Well, do you think modern TKD is TMA? Isn't it more of a "sport" even if arguably is even less effective than kung-fu, most karate, etc?

    Basically, I see a trend to labeling ineffective arts "TMA."

    Lets think about this before we go further.

    I personally think we should render dichotomy obsolete, since so many "TMA" schools have adopted full-contact training. In fact, we have a word for ineffective TMA. Bullshido. Okay, the word might be too strong for this since it alludes to fraud. How about no-contact arts? NCA? lol
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    I really liked the original topic.

    This rehashed naming-TMA **** is old.

    Let's talk about chambering, guards, and hikite again. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwkfym View Post
    Basically, I see a trend to labeling ineffective arts "TMA."

    Lets think about this before we go further.
    Back on topic please. We have a thread that went 2-300 posts IIRC on this same subject. This also caused a major derail in another thread.

    We will never come to an agreement on the use of TMA.
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    I really wanted to know what technique that he thought he needed to put his hand on his hip to do. You don't have your hand at chamber to use oppositional force. Even a jab-cross does that.
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    Pulling the opposite hand to your hip (or some other position on other techniques) is a beginner kihon thing. It makes it easier to feel how power flows through the hips rotating, it helps you to understand, as you move through combos how to generate power from different positions/angles and how techniques better flow rotationally into smooth combinations.

    It also gives you bad sparring habits you need to break if you practice it a lot for a long period of time. You could argue there's no point in not just always training your sparring-form from the get-go. I think a small dose is good to feel, w/e.
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    I think I read somewhere the reason for the hand thrusting from the hip was based on an oriental spear thrust, adapted into a punch after the weapons ban on Okinawa. don't know if its true but makes sense
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    Why did this get Necroed? Also, It is a terrible thread so I'm locking it to never be necroed again. Good bye shitty thread.
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