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  1. It is Fake is offline
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    Where did this thread come from? The first post seems like it was extracted from another thread??
    Most of those posts came from this one. It is a cull as MABS is not a place to crack movie jokes.
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    I was in my local book store the other day when I noticed a book called "Inside the Cage" by Carl Merritt

    The book cover described the book as the true story of Carl Merritt and his life as a cage fighter. The cover also describes how some of these fights were to the death. The cover also explained how he hid this unusual occupation from his wife (yeah okay). This whole thing rang massive alarm bells although I thought it unlikely that a publisher would allow a book to go out that was total bullshit.

    Needless to say I didn't buy it. Has anyone heard of Carl Merritt or his underground cage fights, many of which seem to have taken place in Las Vegas?

    Here is a write up from Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inside-Cage-.../dp/0007140886
    It's obviously ALL TRUE and not at all a work of fiction. Good Grief.

    If you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one, it'll find the gullible. BTW, I bought COMBAT mag yesterday and apart from having a number of features already published in this month's Martial Arts Illustrated, it also featured BOB SPOUR. Well, even allowing for Lead Times in Print Runs, you'd have thought that they'd have pulled that item!!

    Back to Carl "The Truth" Williams, er, I mean "Merritt". The first clue is Wensley Clarkson, the ex-Daily Mirror writer now grubbing around for marginal figures with notoriety and are safely dead to write about i.e. John Bindon, James Moody. So, Salt Cellar to hand, you can make a start on any of his stuff. Second clue, his publisher is John Blake, remember "The Nemesis File" by the fake SAS chappie. Well, it sold an articulated lorry load.

    Conclusion: File Carl under extreme Fantasist aided and abetted by Clarkson.
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    DCS,
    The places that he lists make this totally unbelievable, but I wonder if we don't have some sort of Princess Bride, tainted wine going on. If he had chosen really exotic places, he would have been called out too quickly. By placing himself in civilized well populated cities he makes the claims so improbably they slowly become possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrijl View Post
    DCS,
    The places that he lists make this totally unbelievable, but I wonder if we don't have some sort of Princess Bride, tainted wine going on. If he had chosen really exotic places, he would have been called out too quickly. By placing himself in civilized well populated cities he makes the claims so improbably they slowly become possible.
    Merritt would be clever indeed to keep THIS quiet in Old London Town. Word tends to get around....:XXknight:
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    "‘Fists, elbows, foreheads, knees and feet are the weapons. Only biting and gouging are banned’"


    Published Date: 16 March 2003
    By Martin Hannan
    THE gladiators enter the arena, snarling and cursing each other. They wear neither gloves nor body protection, and by the end one of them may be dead. The audience for this hardcore event ranges from the super affluent to the small-time punter, all eagerly baying for blood.
    The two protagonists enter a metal cage, about the size of a small boxing ring. Two men enter standing up, only one will leave walking. Fists, elbows, foreheads, knees and feet are the weapons. Only biting and gouging are banned in this contest. EverADVERTISEMENT




    y other way of disabling a man, to the point of killing him, is allowed.

    One of the fighters, a home-town hero, begins by lashing out with his feet. His opponent, though still in his 20s, is a seasoned veteran from another country who grabs the local hero’s leg and throws his man to the ground. Instantly, the visiting fighter is on top of his prone opponent and quickly smashes him into unconsciousness with fierce blows to the face.

    Some of the crowd jeer, some cheer, most grab the cage and rattle it in frustration at the defeat of their man. The winner manages to escape their anger, and is rushed from the scene.

    Everyday life in the Colosseum in ancient Rome? A clip from Mad Max ? No. This fight took place in 1988 in a car park near the Eiffel Tower in a city that loves to call itself the most sophisticated in the western world.

    The man who came out of the Paris cage upright was Carl Merritt, a Londoner who went on to become one of the best exponents of cage fighting, an utterly brutal and highly illegal extreme form of pugilism which has flourished in abandoned warehouses, badly-lit car parks and remote country fields around the world for at least the last two decades, and probably for a lot longer.

    Now 37, and long-since retired from his painful way of life, Merritt has just penned his explosive memoirs, called Inside the Cage. Working with ghost writer Wensley Clarkson, Merritt tells his story exactly as it happened to him, with only the argot of the East End edited out.

    In doing so he has lifted the lid on a hidden underworld which makes the brawling depicted in the 1999 film Fight Club - ranked as one of the most violent films ever given general release in Britain - seem as harmless as a playground scrap.

    Merritt recounts fight after fight in places as diverse as Las Vegas and a barn in Ireland from which he escaped only because his minders produced guns to ward off a crowd shouting for the neck of the "Brit bastard" who’d just beaten their man to a pulp.

    "I must visit Ireland in daylight," Merritt said, "as I’ve only ever been there at night. They would fly me in while it was dark and fly me straight back out after the fight."

    The possibility of winning huge sums of money by betting on and against Merritt and other cage fighters made the scene hugely attractive for high-rollers but dangerous for the participants. It was money which was the primary reason for Merritt’s decision to go into the cage. He had been a decent schoolboy amateur boxer, but while he was still a young boy of 13 he beat a man in a game of pool, and was beaten senseless with an iron bar in return.

    The plastic plate needed to fix his jaw and cheekbone meant he would never pass a Boxing Board of Control examination. Illegal fights were the only channel for his natural aggression.

    "It wasn’t the violence," he said. "Don’t get me wrong, I did get a buzz out of it, especially in the early days - but it was mainly the money."

    Having succumbed to temptation, his ‘managers’, named in the book as ‘Bill’ and ‘Kenny’, took over his life. Merritt started out in the prize fights which have long been a feature in the pubs of London’s East End. He earned £35 for his first illegal fight, but it was when his two managers persuaded him to go into the cage fighting scene that he earned serious cash. His last fight in Las Vegas in 1997 earned him £32,000 - enough for him to call time and walk away.

    All the years that he was fighting, Merritt was living a lie - his girlfriend Carole, who later became his wife and mother of their two children - did not know about his secret life until his last year in the cage. If he came home bruised he told her that he’d been beaten up while working as a bouncer.

    Most times, however, Merritt was relatively unscathed because of his prowess in the cage. He was even matched against - and beat - the toughest cage fighters in the world in America. Carole found out what was going on and almost left him, but Merritt promised to quit and kept his word after the Vegas fight.

    Some fighters did not get out in time and paid the ultimate price. With little or no medical help on standby, fatalities were inevitable inside the cage. One of Merritt’s opponents had a brain haemorrhage and died a few days after the fight. Merritt will never know whether it was his blows which killed the man. An Irish gypsy opponent who cost his supporters a fortune by losing to Merritt was hauled away by a howling mob. Merritt later found out that the beaten man was burned to death in a car.

    While still a novice, Merritt himself was once beaten so badly by an opponent that he was rushed unconscious to hospital where he nearly died. As it was, he survived with a broken jaw, ribs and collar bone.

    It would be easy to dismiss Merritt’s story as mere gangland fantasy, but his depiction of a lawless demi-monde is no myth. It isn’t too difficult to find corroboration of his claims - search for cage fighting on the internet and you’ll see why.

    He is also aware that some people may want to kill him for going public on the cage scene: "They will not like what I’ve written and may come looking for me - I’ll deal with that when and if it happens."

    The most compelling and galling scenes in the book are where rich, beautiful people gather in underground car parks to watch two men almost kill each other. Merritt professes himself unsure what the attraction was, apart from the huge sums being gambled.

    "People get a kick out of the violence," he explained. "The kind of people that I saw in the audiences, if you want to call them audiences, were mainly well-to-do people. I suppose it was just like the gladiators in Rome - people get off on that sort of thing.

    "I didn’t pay much attention to them, because I was working, but the people around me such as the minders would talk about how the people watching were getting a thrill - I think it was just bloodlust, simple as that.

    "Professional boxing isn’t what it was, and people are looking for something more basic - you can even see Ultimate Cage Fighting on television at the moment, and it might take over from boxing eventually."

    The televised version of cage fighting is a joke compared to the real thing, he says, and even the brutal scenes in Fight Club do not come close to the reality .

    "Yeah, it was pretty much kill or be killed," he said casually.

    The tragedy of Merritt is that his life could have been so very different. He came from a home which his father left when he was still an infant, replaced by a stepfather who beat up his mother. When he was just 15, Merritt went to Rochester borstal for beating the man to a pulp.

    "It happens to any child who comes from a broken family, particularly with the absence of a father figure.

    "I didn’t get much in the way of an education but I liked the painting lessons in Borstal. I don’t know if I could have been a great artist, but if I’d managed to get an education I know I would have been a totally different person - definitely."

    Merritt has his own kind of morality: "I never got into the gangland crime scene - that doesn’t interest me at all. I’ve helped people out to protect my ‘manor’, but I’ve got a good life now, and I’m happy with Carole and the kids."

    Carl Merritt got out of the cage alive, relatively intact and with money in his bank account, but it’s a good bet that somewhere in Britain fighters are even now in training to enter the cage, and that not all will have his good fortune.

    Inside the Cage: My Life in the World's Deadliest Fight Game, by Carl Merritt with Wensley Clarkson, published by HarperCollinsEntertainment, £16.99


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    From the article Lebell posted:

    It would be easy to dismiss Merritt’s story as mere gangland fantasy, but his depiction of a lawless demi-monde is no myth. It isn’t too difficult to find corroboration of his claims - search for cage fighting on the internet and you’ll see why.
    I have google searched cage fighting and even cage fighting and Carl Merritt and can find no corroboration and other than a few articles of a similar ilk (lazy bloody journalists printing press releases almost verbatum).

    I dearly hope that the book provides more in the way of specifics.

    Otherwise we will have the job of pinning down the claimed who, when, and where of these fights before we even get started on verifications.
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    I have google searched cage fighting and even cage fighting and Carl Merritt and can find no corroboration and other than a few articles of a similar ilk (lazy bloody journalists printing press releases almost verbatum).

    I dearly hope that the book provides more in the way of specifics.

    Otherwise we will have the job of pinning down the claimed who, when, and where of these fights before we even get started on verifications.
    'The rules all up to death' - I paraphrase, No, just no. The Rule of Law still prevails in this Country.

    The Barn in Ireland, 'they flew me in at night' etc. Oh, yeah? What airfield did he depart from and arrive at? Who filed the flight plan. Did the UK Air Travel Radar Operators notice or did Carl fly "under the Radar"? Ha ha.

    Did anyone in Vegas notice a Brit turn up and win circa $50K. Presumably, Chuck Liddell and others were out of town that day?

    To be fair, there are still unlicenced bouts - and they've had video shown on TV. No mention of Mr Merritt though.

    Where's the actual evidence?

    As for the plastic plate - which failed the BBB of C [if I read that right] - was this just a dental plate?

    Some years ago, Channel 4 ran a similar doc in which a bareknuckle fighter took advice from Lenny McLean. The latter misunderstood something and became very angry and seemed on the edged of violence. The 'fighter' squared the misunderstanding and went to Ireland for the fight. (It's coincidental that he was also Irish). So, off to a Barn and the opponent is unable to fight so he offers to take on any audience members. An Irish spectator agrees and there's an almighty set-to which Our Hero only just wins. He has blood all over one side of his shaven Head and particularly one ear.

    Subsequently Channel 4 had to apologise because it was an entirely a hoax, and an agreement was already in place between Our Hero and The Opponent BUT the offer to fight was genuine and to save the film EXCEPT that he completely underestimated the spectator and was genuinely fighting to save himself.

    It's Bloodsport, Frank Dux bollocks until Evidence to the contrary is produced. I then look forward to the court case for the GBH, ABH, Attempted Murder that is likely to follow.
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    I have found the author of the article "Two men go in, one comes out" Martin Hannan on MySpace (last signed on yesterday) and I have contacted him informing him of this thread and asking if he had any evidence to back up his article other than "searching for cage fighting".

    Will let you know of his response.
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    ok I have this book and yeah its a total rip off of the movie lionheart (uk awol) stupid beyond belief, some parts are set in croydon around the time I frequented the area so its A1 ****, still a funny read I guess
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    lionheart was a pretty awesome movie, it's a surprise to me that the book sucks.
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