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  1. Kefka is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/27/2009 11:42am

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    Mount Escapes that actually are used in MMA?

    If you go to youtube,( or any BJJ class) you will see all these videos on how to escape the mount, supposedly high percentage ones like the upa, followed by Knee elbow,etc. But when I actually watch MMA, I never see anyone ever bridge and roll out of mount, hell I never see any one ever even bridge to disrupt the other guys balance while hes punching..

    In class were always told not to put are arms out(to push the guy off) or to turn to are back to get out of mount, yet in MMA they always do this! Also In class they say to bump to mess up the guys balance while puching but they rarely ever do this in MMA.

    My question is why don't we see the bridge and roll or any other of the supposedly high percentage mount escapes in UFC(or other high level MMA), I don't even see them tried, yet video after video and intructor after instructor says there the way to go, even though in MMA they don't use them, instead they push them off, go to there back, or escape out the back.
  2. v1y is offline

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    7/27/2009 11:48am


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    The short answer: escaping the mount isn't that easy when your opponent knows what he's doing and is punching you in the face.

    Long answer: bridge and roll mount escape is still pretty common in mma... elbow escape should be a little more common imo though. Lambert got ktfo'ed framing rashad's hips.
  3. Askari is offline

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    7/27/2009 11:51am


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    The roll and give up the back is an escape used in MMA because the rules prevent the opponent from punching you in the back of the head. Its called "playing the rules."

    If my opponent has my back and I can make sure we are face up, this is much better under MMA rules than being under the mount.

    Much easier percentage wise to escape a face up back compared to under mount - especially when my opponent isnt allowed the most effective attack from the back.

    The reason most academies dont teach this is because it is bad self-defence. Better to work the bridge and roll or the upa escape.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
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    Posted On:
    7/27/2009 12:16pm

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    To add on when you give up the back in mma, it's easier to defend the choke than in bjj because of the gloves. It's harder to snake a glove-wrapped hand through all the defense and secure the choke.
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    7/27/2009 12:19pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    To add on when you give up the back in mma, it's easier to defend the choke than in bjj because of the gloves. It's harder to snake a glove-wrapped hand through all the defense and secure the choke.
    Also not having to fear collar (gi) chokes.
  6. Goju - Joe is offline
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    7/27/2009 12:19pm

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  7. Kefka is offline

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    7/27/2009 12:35pm

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    Can any one direct me to some fights that were the upa is used? People don't even seem to try to upa, I have seen many fights were it looks like the guy has a great chance to roll the opponent yet does not even try. Also why is bumping so rare in mma when mounted, instructors are always saying to bump when being punched in mount to throw off the guys balance so he has a harder time hitting you.
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    Posted On:
    7/27/2009 1:00pm


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    Have you watched much MMA at all? I can't recall any fight specifically but I see hip bumping all the time to try to get a guy off when he's mounted during fights.
  9. Askari is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/27/2009 1:07pm


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    There is hip bumping all the time in MMA.

    Don't know why you are missing it.
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    7/27/2009 1:11pm

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    I don't watch that much, but my friend is really into MMA and also comments I how he never sees the upa being used and that they always do what were told not to do in class to escape. While the bumping is a bit more common, it still seems to be under used. Is it because those moves are just not worth trying on top level guys, like you would see in the UFC?
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