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  1. ignatzami is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knave View Post
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    No, but it would annoy anyone planning on using a gun to kill someone, and those people would have ample access to non-serial ammo.
    Maybe, but the bulk of people affected would be law-abiding gun owners. I guess I don't really see what harm it would do, other then the cost, but I also struggle to see what good it will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post

    Black market for ammo? Why bother?
    Why have a black market for anything? Profit. Have you heard some of the outrageous prices people pay for guns on the Black Market?

    Many times, you can get legit guns for half the cost. People who commit bad acts want untraceable products.

    Maybe, but the bulk of people affected would be law-abiding gun owners. I guess I don't really see what harm it would do, other then the cost, but I also struggle to see what good it will do.
    People balk not because they are sacred, as you implied, but anger.

    Why should I pay extra costs because, some idiot, who will buy Black Market bullets, is acting like a fool?

    If I shoot, I'm paying extra for someone who did something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Why have a black market for anything? Profit. Have you heard some of the outrageous prices people pay for guns on the Black Market?

    Many times, you can get legit guns for half the cost. People who commit bad acts want untraceable products.
    I understand, maybe I'm just naive, but it seem like that would be an incredibly small subset of the criminal population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    People balk not because they are sacred, as you implied, but anger.

    Why should I pay extra costs because, some idiot, who will buy Black Market bullets, is acting like a fool?

    If I shoot, I'm paying extra for someone who did something wrong.
    But if the choice came to coding the ammo, or banning the guns, wouldn't you rather have the coded ammo? It seems like the lesser of the two evils.

    I'm not saying I support either act, but I'm curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post
    But if the choice came to coding the ammo, or banning the guns, wouldn't you rather have the coded ammo? It seems like the lesser of the two evils.

    I'm not saying I support either act, but I'm curious.
    How do I answer this?

    This is how I see it happening, they are going to code ammo then continue to work on a gun ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post
    Maybe, but the bulk of people affected would be law-abiding gun owners. I guess I don't really see what harm it would do, other then the cost, but I also struggle to see what good it will do.
    Why not require a serial number on every piece of paper? After all, it won't cause any harm other than costs.

    • Would it be illegal to manufacture a bullet without assigning it a number?
    • What about bullets without a suitable base?
    • What about imported foreign ammo (both new and surplus)?
    • How is the tracking of the numbers going to be handled as the ammunition exchanges hands from person to person?
    • Won't the BATFE guys' heads explode with the addition of another letter to their acronym?


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    That .005 is the government fee per round to maintain the database. The cost to consumers, I don't know.
    So at least $50 million for just the government's end. Pretty expensive for a program that's easily defeated and cumbersome for all involved.
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    It is a meaningless political gesture that aims to let politicians claim to be "doing something about guns" to the constituency who supports that without really pissing off the constituency who oppose it. IOW :jerkit2yf
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannibalCrowley View Post

    So at least $50 million for just the government's end. Pretty expensive for a program that's easily defeated and cumbersome for all involved.
    Well, that is a good point. Also, we must figure in the how and the cost of the equipment involved to put serial numbers on said bullet.

    as he said
    That .005 is the government fee per round to maintain the database. The cost to consumers, I don't know.

    So, as consumers, people will pay ??? for the press, laser, or whatever to be instituted into the manufacture of said bullet. The consumer will pay for any more labor costs involved in said stamping. The consumer will also pay for any defects that may occur because of said stamping.

    All this to make sure they can track bullets bought by, legal law abiding citizens who don't normally cause most of the crime.

    This leads right back to Knave's point about Black Market bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami View Post
    I also struggle to see what good it will do.
    Which means that the extra $0.005 per round, which sounds small but will undoubtedly add up over time, is wasted money.
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    How does this law affect black powder enthusiasts who cast their own ammunition? And how do you serialize #9 bird shot?

    This measure is silly, and should be mocked.
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