Thread: Hideki Frazier
4/29/2010 3:24pm, #11
They want some kind of documentation mmaguyinca.
Verifiable proof to be specific.
They'll only take you seriously if you present some kind of solid documentation.
Otherwise, you'll just get dog piled by trolls here. And the mods are worse than most of the members! (I type that with utmost admiration and respect for all you mean, ruthless, ball busting hard asses. You know who you are.)
4/29/2010 3:25pm, #12
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4/29/2010 3:39pm, #13
Read nefron's post carefully. The idiot that said fraud had his thread moved to YMAS, his article was removed, and he was admonished. The idiot was asked to provide proof of fraud on HF's part.
Then the supporters came in crying and giving life to this stupid thread. The easiest way to shut the people up is provide proof not hurl insults at the wrong people.
4/29/2010 3:54pm, #14
4/29/2010 3:54pm, #15
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It is Fake,
With your response, one of two things is happening here. Either you lack the proper reading skills to discern my comments...or you are the type of person I was referring to in my comments who like to just stir up controversy.
IF you had read my comment properly, you would have read the following phrase "there is no questioning his legitimacy". Perhaps you missed that part. Anyone with even half their brain tied behind their back can understand what I am saying and what that means.
I think it is obvious that you really didn't take the time to carefully read what I wrote in my comments. I wasn't admonishing people for giving their opinion...I was chastising the immaturity, lie spreading, and foolishness that goes on in the martial arts world about who has what rank and who is deserving or not. The only true judges of those issues are the students who have studied under the person in question. They will know whether or not he is legit. In fact, a few people in this thread who have personal experience as a student or have personally witnessed him attest to his legitimacy. It seems it is just the people who heard a story from someone else who is giving their own added version are the ones who are stirring up the claims of fraudulence. But I never said that it is wrong for people to state an opinion so stop putting words in my mouth...or keyboard as it were.
I also clearly pointed out that the very nature of talk forums is that it is just people talking without anyone else being able to verify what they say....in other words...it's the gossip that keeps the forum moving along, not the truth. But when general opinion and chit chat turned to claims of fraudulence, that is what sparked me to respond with my "opinions"...opinions that stem from 30 years of personal knowledge of Master Frazier. In this respect, I agree with Hugo's statement. When people start throwing around accusations of fraud, the burden of proof isn't on the person being falsely accused...it is on the posters who claim such things to start providing proof.
Furthermore, I clearly answered Tom's questions. He asked me, Who am I?...and why should he believe me over anyone else. Instead of reiterating everything I said in my last post, just read it. It stands on it's own merits and you can ask yourself the same question. In a he said, she said scenario, you have to pick and choose however you wish to believe.
4/29/2010 3:58pm, #16
If you have some actual evidence that will help sort things out then by all means let's hear about it. But if your sole contribution is a opinion without any accompanying evidence then it's not doing anything to help move the thread along.
4/29/2010 4:10pm, #17
I think it is obvious that you really didn't take the time to carefully read what I wrote in my comments.
I wasn't admonishing people for giving their opinion...I was chastising the immaturity, lie spreading, and foolishness that goes on in the martial arts world about who has what rank and who is deserving or not.
In a he said, she said scenario, you have to pick and choose however you wish to believe.
I don't care. I just find it hilarious that you want to write essays that skirt around the issue.
4/29/2010 4:18pm, #18
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Your bullshit about "no questioning his legitimacy" carries no weight - there clearly is questioning his legitimacy. We don't know who you are and have no reason to trust your opinion. And by "know you" I don't mean you've hung around and posted some, I mean you were verified as someone with mastery of a martial art and/or a track record of competitions. Again, with proof.
But even if we did, you'd still be asked for proof. Stop being prissy and either offer some up or shut up. This is not a smear site - the moment you pony up something tangible everyone will be happy to close the matter in your favour.
In conclusion, if you didn't catch the magic word, here it is again: PROOF.
4/29/2010 4:27pm, #19
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4/29/2010 4:50pm, #20
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