The reason Frank Mir lost!

**kosherkickboxer** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 12:45am

Originally Posted by Kambei Shimada

Well being a fairly large (210lbs) guy i have to admit i have submitted alot of more experience more technical guys in class purely through outwrestling my sparring partners pinning them and muscling in a submission.

Although still a fairly large guy i dont think Mir is particularly strong or explosive for a heavyweight. Brock on the other hand is a beast and what he lacks in experience and technical skill he more than makes up for in horsepower.

Lol yea, no offense to my pops but he isn't the greatest grappler in the world. He still can hold his own with experienced people due to the fact that he is like 200 pounds and decent skill. Me on the other hand weighing no more then 110 pounds walking around also have an advantage, much smaller people can make themselves fell as they arent maneuvering around setting things up while they are in fact going for position or subs. Every size has its advantage is what i would say

**TheLordHumungus** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 1:54am

Originally Posted by Gabetuno

That's not even a fair fight. Even at this age, smart money's on The Russian Concussion.

I can't give a fair assessment of that fight. As a wrestler, Karelin is nothing short of godlike in my eyes.

**Gabetuno** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 9:32am

Word. Brock is a big strong dude who got bigger, stronger, and quicker, by use of steroids. Karelin is an athlete of supreme order, whom did ballet, rowed row boats in 2 ft deep mud bogs, and could (according to my coach, when he was an Olympic alternate on the Greco team) run a 4.7 second 40 yard dash. Oh yeah, and basically never lost a Greco tournament for 13 years.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 9:49am

Originally Posted by kosherkickboxer

Lol yea, no offense to my pops but he isn't the greatest grappler in the world.

LMAO. You're grounded.

**sandbag2** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 3:55pm

He lost cause Lesner stuck to him like glue, and pounded him.
I wrote a topic that everyone denounced(Story of a bluebelt), and no one would listen, but I had a great point. Now everyone can see for them self.
Brock was too high up, put his weight down, and smashed Mir with brute force.
You can't always depend on the guard game in a fight.
That's why Couture did better with brock, because he had good offensive wrestling.
I wouln't pull guard in any fight unless I had too.

**Blue Negation** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 3:58pm

Originally Posted by sandbag2

He lost cause Lesner stuck to him like glue, and pounded him.
I wrote a topic that everyone denounced(Story of a bluebelt), and no one would listen, but I had a great point. Now everyone can see for them self.

No, you were retarded then and still are.

You can't always depend on the guard game in a fight.
That's why Couture did better with brock, because he had good offensive wrestling.
I wouln't pull guard in any fight unless I had too.

So you're saying Mir wanted to be in guard? LOLOLOLOL

kill yourself plz

**TheLordHumungus** · Posted On: 7/21/2009 11:50pm

Originally Posted by Gabetuno

Word. Brock is a big strong dude who got bigger, stronger, and quicker, by use of steroids. Karelin is an athlete of supreme order, whom did ballet, rowed row boats in 2 ft deep mud bogs, and could (according to my coach, when he was an Olympic alternate on the Greco team) run a 4.7 second 40 yard dash. Oh yeah, and basically never lost a Greco tournament for 13 years.

Don't forget the Karelin lift.

And in 10 of those 13 undefeated years he managed to not have a single point scored against him.