Thread: Stephen Kesting on Lesnar/Mir
7/15/2009 8:57pm, #11
Some of the replies to this thread mirror my thoughts exactly. It looked to me like Mir was focusing entirely on controlling posture, as if he believed that would stop any effective GnP. He failed to account for Lesnar's extreme strength in short distance punching.
I think with enough training with heavier partners, he could've more effectively used his hips in half guard to be offensive.
I think the lesson is, there is no such thing as defense with Lesnar on top of you. You have to stay on offense, or he's gonna smash you.
7/16/2009 12:40am, #12
- Join Date
- Nov 2005
- Washington State
- BJJ, Unauthorized Judo
In the end, I think the mistake made in that match was one that many BJJ players and grapplers in general have made regarding the Half Guard and that is treating it as a defensive position instead of an offensive one.
7/16/2009 8:17am, #13
Wilson Reis, Demian Maia and Vitor Ribeiro are some other guys who sweep effectively from the half-guard in MMA.
Big Nog himself actually takes far, far fewer shots sweeping from the half-guard than he does playing full.
7/16/2009 1:54pm, #14
I haven't looked into it, but whyTF was Frank so beat up? I know that he&Franklin trained together pretty hard (ring any bells?) but-dumbass-the fight is with Brock. Between a hemotoma on his head and the taped up knee and just his slow movement, Mir looked really off.
He also seemed as unprepared for how the fight would go as Evans was vs Machida. The contrast is pretty interesting to me: it has so much more to do with how you've prepared than how skilled you are.
After looking at Mir pre round 2, beatup and smiling, I thought that his problem is that he's basically stupid. It's depressing to think of how much effort it takes to show up at a fight looking roughed-up and unable to answer the opponent you've supposedly been preparing for...Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant.
-Mentat Text Two (dicto)
7/16/2009 2:27pm, #15
- Join Date
- Apr 2008
- Rhode Island
- Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
In my opinion, Frank looked sharp on his feet, throwing hands and strikes, and sloppy on the ground.
I think half guard is overused in MMA, and especially disadvantageous against a bigger opponent. For whatever reason, people don't transition to butterfly or foot on hip from there, which is really how you can alleviate some of your opponents punching power. The way Mir played his half in this fight I think showed a weakness in his game, rather than a strength in Brock's. I mean, anybody decently sized in that division with a knowledge of half guard should have been able to stop Frank's attempts at sweeps and subs, which in this fight, were not only few and far between, but just kinda lame in general.
Brock did the right things and finished the fight strong, but I think in the few minutes that the action was standing, Lesnar gave away what seems to be a suspect chin, and a very easily countered dump-truck of a straight right hand. I anticipate his next loss will be on the feet.
As for Mir, his gameplan was not only bad, but his execution of techniques made me think that he's in the top 10 heavyweights more for lack of heavyweights than for credit to his skill. It seems he only catches those who don't know much about the ground, and everyone else pummels him (i.e. Lesnar, Vera).
Oh, and Mir has never had much for takedown D, and I think that showed in this fight.Originally Posted by Sarcastro
7/17/2009 2:37pm, #16
Undisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
- Join Date
- Jun 2005
- new jersey
- ZHOO ZHITSU
7/17/2009 8:23pm, #17
7/27/2009 4:17pm, #18
Reminds me of one of the biggest mysteries in all of MMA to me: why Tim Sylvia immediately shot for a double-leg takedown against Mir.
I do not, and probably will never understand that move.
As for whether Lesnar has a suspect chin, you don't need a suspect chin to be staggered. It looked like a solid knee, and Lesnar looked much more solid than Velasquez did against Kongo. Getting wobbled certainly proved Lesnar isn't Mark Hunt or anything, but the only question left in my mind regarding Lesnar is what his game looks like from his back, since eventually someone will put him there.
He's got endurance.
He's got ground control.
He's got decent sub defense.
Standing striking is suspect, but powerful.
Ground and pound is obviously there.
Damn, I hate that guy.
7/28/2009 4:10am, #19
7/28/2009 3:05pm, #20
- Join Date
- Oct 2007
- Muay Thai, BJJ