Thread: Is cutting weight cheating?
7/15/2009 9:24am, #21
7/15/2009 11:02am, #22
But it's still not about cheating. It's about what's healthiest for the fighters. And it is (arguably) fair to hold kids sports to a higher standard for that.
7/15/2009 1:04pm, #23
7/15/2009 1:32pm, #24
7/15/2009 11:43pm, #25
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I'm totally against cutting weight. I simply won't do it. If I can't walk around near 155 then I won't compete at that weight.
I think especially for amateur sports it should be illegal. One way to make it harder would be to do periodic weigh-ins leading up to the match as well as day of the match (or even hours before).. Having to cut weight 5 or 6 times in 2 or 3 months would probably make people reconsider.
And as much as I think it should be stopped, it's not possible to stop 100%. There will always be that one guy who cuts down and can handle it. People are dishonest by nature, and if they think they can cheat it they will. Unfortunately there is no test for weight cutting."a martial art that has no rules is nothing but violence" - Kenji Tomiki
7/16/2009 1:16am, #26
7/16/2009 9:13am, #27
I normally expect a daily body weight fluctuation of 5 to 8 pounds and that weight depends on the above. The bottom of the weight is the top of the bracket. Competing at 155, ideally my expected body weight will fluctuate between 155 and 163 or 155 and 165.
Does anyone else. have similar experiences?
7/16/2009 10:02am, #28
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Amature wrestlers, high school anyway are checked for dehydration, USA boxing allows for weighins up to 3-5 hours (i think) before hand,
But cutting weight is part of the fight scene, the truth is cutting weight does make you better, for 3 reasons
#1- it makes you meaner, you should always be a little hungry before you go into the ring, that burn in your belly gives you an agressiveness
#2- when not done to extremes it makes you faster, sure it can be taken to excess but so can just about anything else
#3-it focuses you, not only during training time but also during meal time, it sets you apart from others who will not push it to excell, sorry that sounds harsh but it is true, I've seen it through 6 years of Jr high wrestling, 4 years of Karate & my 10 months & 2 mma fights, you can look at a fighter & tell when he hasn't cut weight!
On a side note it seems as though through most of combat sports, i.e. boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, MT ect cutting weight is part of the fabric of the sport, forgive me if this is getting off topic but does anyone else notice the TAPOUT mentality of turning mma into more of the X games & less of a sport? I only bring it up because no wrestler or boxer would ever question wether or not cutting weight is cheating, perhaps we have gone to far in the TAPOUT attitude direction?
7/16/2009 10:21am, #29
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I'm neither a fighter nor a Tapout dood, and personally I find the entire practice of weight cutting ridiculous and disturbing, regardless of whether it might offer some advantage to an athlete -- an advantage of which I'd like to see some scientific evidence. Really, all this talk about cutting being part of the fabric of the sport is irrelevant. If it's unethical or unhealthy, it doesn't matter if it's a common or longstanding. It needs to be evaluated on its own merits.
Excellence and masculinity are not defined by "extremeness" or self-endangerment.
7/16/2009 11:22am, #30
Don't they do the hydration tests where you pee in a cup and they check the water gravity? If not, they should.