7/19/2009 12:27am, #31
These are some wicked good responses, not just because the videos are so frikkin sweet, but because I get expert commentary on what I'm seeing, and why it's impressive or interesting. Very very nice.What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
7/20/2009 12:48pm, #32
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- Germantown, Maryland
Ahhh I see. I have never seen this before...even within the lower ranks. (the drop seoi for the sake of turtle to stall). I don't know...but it seems like an insanely stupid thing to do. There are much better ways of stalling than exposing your back when you don't need to.
With that being said....the vids are interesting. I wouldnt mind dabbling in SJ if their was a school in Maryland close to DC or Bmore. I disagree about the rule set making much of a difference in this case. It seems that SJ in these vids places too much emphasis on muscling your opponent into position.
Just from watching the videos I would say that most of these guys would do well up to about Yonkyu(Blue belt) as far as stand up goes in a Judo shiai but would get raped by anyone of higher rank/experience....
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7/20/2009 3:11pm, #33
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7/20/2009 4:12pm, #34
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I will contact the school and see if I can get some mat time.
If I make my down there I will report back.
7/20/2009 4:51pm, #35
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- Jun 2004
- Judo, Hung Family Boxing
he regularly used to cross train at oishi sensei's club, and didn't get "raped" there, where the general level of experience is quite high.
if you weren't talking about his video you need to learn to be *much* more specific with your comments."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
"When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
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7/20/2009 10:40pm, #36
YouTube - Shuai Jiao
... they train taiji too. Hadrien Lesueur won first place in the 70kg shuaijiao and open weight tui shou divisions of the 2008 European kuoshu championships.
The red fighter in that same French video is one of Wang Zhihong's students. He's another shuaijiao + taiji guy who knows what the bow and arrow stance is really for:
... and the horse-riding stance as well:
Originally Posted by 1point2
YouTube - Luo De Xiu Snake Throw
(He tossed me like a ragdoll the first time I met him)“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
7/20/2009 11:17pm, #37
I've avoided posting these because while they're CMA-originated, they're from Mr. Cartmell, who teaches primarily MMA these days. Plus, they weren't "full contact" and didn't match my original view of "CMA grappling has to look like Greco," which Rivington dispelled in my mind. Plus, I try not to nutride the guy constantly, because it would get old really quick.
I like this light, no-gi push-hands/randori. The student puts the origin of the application into the video in most cases.
YouTube - Light sparring at Shen Wu
YouTube - Chin Na / Aikido technique
YouTube - Sun Style BaGua Zhang application from the 'Lion' form
YouTube - Combat Bagua Throw
These videos were a contributing factor in me trying to change my training to include both the traditional and the modern, and realizing that aliveness wasn't about MMA or the age of techniques, but about applicability and practice. I saw this stuff and said "why can't I train like that?"
Fun fact: the guy who pulls off the Aikido wristlock apparently came into Cartmell's school very proficient in "TMA"; not sure if it's JJJ or something else. Now he's got the compliant wristy-twisty stuff, plus standup-clinch-ground. Can you say, motivation for 1.2?What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
7/21/2009 9:38am, #38
More non-SJ/non-TJQ throwing. Xingyi crossing fist application of the Phoenix-Eagle throw we've been seeing everywhere:
YouTube - Xing Yi -Style Takedown
Speaking of bagua, there are some good applications (and a couple I don't like much) in this demo:
YouTube - Ba Gua Zhang Fighting Techniques - ĺ…«ĺŤ¦ćŽŚć‰“ćł•
(action starts with Phoenix-Eagle ~1:18)“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
7/21/2009 9:54am, #39
See, I didn't initially post the 2nd one of those because it wasn't "full contact". I'm realizing that the whole thread was misguided: a large portion of non-shuaijiao CMA standing grappling is only going to be full-contact in striking competitions that allow clinching or takedowns. That's why I've been frustrated not finding more CMA throwing-in-sparring; it's all in the san shou/etc stuff in the original thread.What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates
7/21/2009 10:17am, #40