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  1. sucter is offline

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    2/05/2004 8:56pm


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    The nut kick was crap. Yoshida should have Hacknied his nuts right back.
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    Hey Sucter, look-- its 2 am! You feel tired??
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    These crazy brits and their weirdo time. We won the revolutionary war AND 1812, follow our time damnit!
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    First of all, if you look at the early Pancrase matches before BJJ fighters were involved you'll see virtually no guard work. Sakuraba did well against the Gracie's but hasn't matched up quite so well against other fighters precisely because he has no guard and has been hit in the head too many times.

    Secondly, the rules did in fact mention that the referee couldn't interfere. Even Matt Furey wrote in an article that he thought the decision was bogus exactly because the rules were against such interference.

    Thirdly, who is in the better position to know if a submission is working, the fighter or the referee. Royler has tapped before and is known for his flexibility. He is a professional fighter and it should be up to him to decide that a submission is on, not a biased referee.

    Fourthly, neither Royce nor Royler had to do anything. They were not being submitted and were simply waiting for their opponent to get tired of it and move to another position or submission attempt. Sometimes this is the safest option and happens in grappling all the time.
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    Sakuraba did well against the Gracie's but hasn't matched up quite so well against other fighters precisely because he has no guard and has been hit in the head too many times.
    Does Sakuraba have no guard game ?
    I think its a combination of being outweighed, and outgunned in striking ability thats resulted in his losses.
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    2/05/2004 11:50pm

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    He seems to want to turtle up too much. This might work against a pure grappler, but against someone like Vanderlai or Murilo Ninja who is happy to just stomp on your head this tactic won't work.
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    True.
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  8. sucter is offline

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    Please dont EVER quote matt furey for anything. I hold a deaf, blind, crack baby's opinion in higher esteem than furey's
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    Yeah, and his guard totally blew against roidleman
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    Well, lets see.

    First, Sak is UNDEFEATED against fighters his size, except for Neenee, who, as I say, he was slappin around like a bitch until the illegal headbutt.

    So, Sak is doing just fine, against anyone.

    As to no ref in the rules, you have to be wrong. THE REF WAS THERE. if he wasnt allowed to do anything, WHY WAS HE THERE? You show me where in their contract it said the ref couldnt call the fight. I say it doesnt. I claim you cant sanction such a fight...

    That said, the Royler stoppage was premature but warranted. It is Prides fight, and who wants to see a guy in a hold he cant get out off, until the scheduled end of the fight. So he gets a draw? Screw it. The real point of that fight was that Sak was clearly the superior fighter as well as superior grappler. Royler got schooled, end it, the point is made. In those days, that was the point in any fight with a Gracie.

    As to Royce, the stoppage was not premature, Royce, the dumbass, was playing like he was out, and the only reason to do that, is so the ref will stop it and let you out of a fight you are losing. Why else would one do that? ...well, if you had an IQ of 47, I guess you might...

    In any case, Royce was mad at Yoshida, who had nothing to do with the stoppage, so again, this seems to indicate a low two digit IQ...
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