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  1. migo is offline

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    Similarity of FILA Grappling to Judo and Sambo?

    I'm hoping people with competition experience in Judo and/or Sambo could weigh in on this. I'm curious how similar the rules are.

    http://www.fila-grappling.com/filead...TIONS_2009.pdf is the link for the full rules, what I'm particularly interested in is the illegal holds.

    • Illegal holds include:
      - Intentional breaking of bones or joints
      - Punching, kicking, knees, forearms, elbows, head butts, malicious cross faces
      - Eye gouging, pulling of hair, fishing hooking, biting, or attacking the groin
      - Slams and spikes. At no time may a grappler intentionally slam or spike his/her opponent into
      the mat. No slams in defense of submission attempts will be tolerated.
      - Back splashes from standing back control
      - Combination Joint locks/Throws
      - Closed hand with use of the fingers to throat/trachea choking techniques
      - Cutbacks from attached single leg/whizzer position
      - Inside or outside heel hooks (does not include lace leg/lunduke leglocks)
      - Chin ripping
      - Crucifix
      - Full-Nelson
      - Can opener
      - Pulling fingers and small joint manipulation. A grappler shall attack no less than 4 fingers or
      toes when attempting to break a hold (i.e. no thumb locks allowed).
      - Intentional grabbing of competition uniform (No-Gi only)
      - Argument/insults towards the opponent or the referee


    Anything that sticks out that isn't illegal in either and anything that is illegal in either Judo/Sambo but isn't listed here? Obviously leg locks aren't allowed in Judo. Anything else?
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    Posted On:
    7/02/2009 11:37pm


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    I'm just a BJJ guy occasionally training with a Sambist.

    Aren't chokes banned from Sport Sambo, but not Combat and Freestyle Sambo?

    And as far as I know Sambo allows combination joint lock/throws.

    And only certain neck cranks are banned in FILA but altogether banned in Sambo and Judo I think.

    Sambo allows for heelhooks.

    Judo doesn't allow wristlocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 265lbsfist View Post
    I'm just a BJJ guy occasionally training with a Sambist.

    Aren't chokes banned from Sport Sambo, but not Combat and Freestyle Sambo?

    And as far as I know Sambo allows combination joint lock/throws.

    And only certain neck cranks are banned in FILA but altogether banned in Sambo and Judo I think.

    Sambo allows for heelhooks.

    Judo doesn't allow wristlocks.
    In sambo (any variant), you can't throw against a joint. But, you can set up a sub standing and finish it on the ground.

    Yes, chokes are legal in combat and freestyle.

    No heelhooks in any sambo, except A division freestyle.

    To me, it is not the details of what's illegal that make things similar. It is things like how points are scored for throws and mat time, how much time is allowed on the ground, other more practical aspects of rule sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sambosteve View Post
    In sambo (any variant), you can't throw against a joint. But, you can set up a sub standing and finish it on the ground.

    Yes, chokes are legal in combat and freestyle.

    No heelhooks in any sambo, except A division freestyle.

    To me, it is not the details of what's illegal that make things similar. It is things like how points are scored for throws and mat time, how much time is allowed on the ground, other more practical aspects of rule sets.
    Sorry, my bad.

    I thought that throws ending up in leglocks/armlocks were combination jointlock/throws...

    And I always roll with the heelhooks with him so I assumed, and assumed wrong...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 265lbsfist View Post
    Sorry, my bad.

    I thought that throws ending up in leglocks/armlocks were combination jointlock/throws...

    And I always roll with the heelhooks with him so I assumed, and assumed wrong...
    We practice them, just don't use them in competition.
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    7/03/2009 1:27am


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    So the big difference in your opinion between Sambo and FILA Grappling would be the lack of time limit on the ground and relatively insignificant scoring of takedowns compared to positional advancement?

    For that matter, I should check if there are differences in time spent on the ground among the varieties of Sambo.
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    Interesting that you can't legally break ****. I usually refrain from snapping bones, but joints are destroyed, except in rare cases, based on isolation. Bones you just cut right through.
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    7/03/2009 2:00am


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    I think what they're saying is you have to do a controlled application of a submission to give them a chance to tap.

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