Similarity of FILA Grappling to Judo and Sambo?

**migo** · Posted On: 7/02/2009 9:44pm

I'm hoping people with competition experience in Judo and/or Sambo could weigh in on this. I'm curious how similar the rules are.

http://www.fila-grappling.com/filead...TIONS_2009.pdf is the link for the full rules, what I'm particularly interested in is the illegal holds.

Illegal holds include:
- Intentional breaking of bones or joints
- Punching, kicking, knees, forearms, elbows, head butts, malicious cross faces
- Eye gouging, pulling of hair, fishing hooking, biting, or attacking the groin
- Slams and spikes. At no time may a grappler intentionally slam or spike his/her opponent into
the mat. No slams in defense of submission attempts will be tolerated.
- Back splashes from standing back control
- Combination Joint locks/Throws
- Closed hand with use of the fingers to throat/trachea choking techniques
- Cutbacks from attached single leg/whizzer position
- Inside or outside heel hooks (does not include lace leg/lunduke leglocks)
- Chin ripping
- Crucifix
- Full-Nelson
- Can opener
- Pulling fingers and small joint manipulation. A grappler shall attack no less than 4 fingers or
toes when attempting to break a hold (i.e. no thumb locks allowed).
- Intentional grabbing of competition uniform (No-Gi only)
- Argument/insults towards the opponent or the referee

Anything that sticks out that isn't illegal in either and anything that is illegal in either Judo/Sambo but isn't listed here? Obviously leg locks aren't allowed in Judo. Anything else?

**265lbsfist** · Posted On: 7/02/2009 11:37pm

I'm just a BJJ guy occasionally training with a Sambist.

Aren't chokes banned from Sport Sambo, but not Combat and Freestyle Sambo?

And as far as I know Sambo allows combination joint lock/throws.

And only certain neck cranks are banned in FILA but altogether banned in Sambo and Judo I think.

Sambo allows for heelhooks.

Judo doesn't allow wristlocks.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 7/02/2009 11:47pm

Originally Posted by 265lbsfist

I'm just a BJJ guy occasionally training with a Sambist.

Aren't chokes banned from Sport Sambo, but not Combat and Freestyle Sambo?

And as far as I know Sambo allows combination joint lock/throws.

And only certain neck cranks are banned in FILA but altogether banned in Sambo and Judo I think.

Sambo allows for heelhooks.

Judo doesn't allow wristlocks.

In sambo (any variant), you can't throw against a joint. But, you can set up a sub standing and finish it on the ground.

Yes, chokes are legal in combat and freestyle.

No heelhooks in any sambo, except A division freestyle.

To me, it is not the details of what's illegal that make things similar. It is things like how points are scored for throws and mat time, how much time is allowed on the ground, other more practical aspects of rule sets.

**265lbsfist** · Posted On: 7/03/2009 12:15am

Originally Posted by sambosteve

In sambo (any variant), you can't throw against a joint. But, you can set up a sub standing and finish it on the ground.

Yes, chokes are legal in combat and freestyle.

No heelhooks in any sambo, except A division freestyle.

To me, it is not the details of what's illegal that make things similar. It is things like how points are scored for throws and mat time, how much time is allowed on the ground, other more practical aspects of rule sets.

Sorry, my bad.

I thought that throws ending up in leglocks/armlocks were combination jointlock/throws...

And I always roll with the heelhooks with him so I assumed, and assumed wrong...

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 7/03/2009 12:39am

Originally Posted by 265lbsfist

Sorry, my bad.

I thought that throws ending up in leglocks/armlocks were combination jointlock/throws...

And I always roll with the heelhooks with him so I assumed, and assumed wrong...

We practice them, just don't use them in competition.

**migo** · Posted On: 7/03/2009 1:27am

So the big difference in your opinion between Sambo and FILA Grappling would be the lack of time limit on the ground and relatively insignificant scoring of takedowns compared to positional advancement?

For that matter, I should check if there are differences in time spent on the ground among the varieties of Sambo.

**MaxThunderstone** · Posted On: 7/03/2009 1:54am

Interesting that you can't legally break ****. I usually refrain from snapping bones, but joints are destroyed, except in rare cases, based on isolation. Bones you just cut right through.