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  1. Gezere is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rough&Tumble View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...batives_School
    http://www.moderncombatives.org/

    MAC for the U.S. Army is pretty cool and turns a lot of guys on to MMA in general.

    I feel I can at least speak for the U.S. Army as far as the goal behind Army Combatives. The Army isn't trying to create sport fighters or Ninja machines of death, we are already instruments of death, the Army utilizes Combatives as a way of fostering the Warrior mentality.

    Combatives provides physical training, useful grappling skills to fight and/or subdue if actually needed, and helps cultivate a Warrior mentality by simulating a type of "combat" enviroment that is totally safe and user friendly for the individual. If anything fighting in this manner helps a young kid to implement a pair of balls; especially if the kid hasn't been in a fight by testing himself repeatedly against others and develops that can do, no quit attitude.

    The later levels of combatives is cool too, with the whole stun gun dropped in your sparring partners pocket to simulate fighting for your life. Hell anyone would freak and fight HARD if your sparring partner in the middle of a roll pulled out a stun gun and fired it up. And later levels participants will more or less take punches and fight an MMA match.

    Its taken a while for the military to come around to this stuff but for over 10 years now the Army has been making this transition.

    That's what its for, and does it lead many Soldiers into MMA clubs and schools on the civilianside? Heck yeah, guys go in droves to learn stuff outside of the Army and quite often compete at amateur and professional levels as a hobby. AndUFC further facilitates the interest as MMA I would say hands down is the most popular sport for the U.S. military to watch!
    The goal of MACP is obviously to make all soldiers 99Z Combat Ninjas!!!


    BTW unfortunately Football still beats out MMA for tube coverage. Funny enough we get more injuries from Football and Basketball than Combatives but pple will **** themselves over Combatives. I have been in straight up arguments with somr CSMs over training. One told me he was banning combatives over ONE injury (bruised rib) and I pointed out we had 10 more serious injuries (broken ankles, torn ACL, fractured eye socket from catching an elbow, etc) that same week from Basketball games. One thing CSMs don't like is for an LT to out shout them. However I still got my way because I pointed out that MACP is training, Basketball is a recreational activity and I was continuing my classes, thankfully the DIV CSM agreed with me too.
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    the div csm?!

    divisonal....commanding.....sports?..m....

    what the hell does it mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere View Post
    The goal of MACP is obviously to make all soldiers 99Z Combat Ninjas!!!


    BTW unfortunately Football still beats out MMA for tube coverage. Funny enough we get more injuries from Football and Basketball than Combatives but pple will **** themselves over Combatives. I have been in straight up arguments with somr CSMs over training. One told me he was banning combatives over ONE injury (bruised rib) and I pointed out we had 10 more serious injuries (broken ankles, torn ACL, fractured eye socket from catching an elbow, etc) that same week from Basketball games. One thing CSMs don't like is for an LT to out shout them. However I still got my way because I pointed out that MACP is training, Basketball is a recreational activity and I was continuing my classes, thankfully the DIV CSM agreed with me too.
    You're a lieutenant? I thought you were a warrant of some kind.

    We had a similar problem here, although it was our brigade CO who didn't appreciate combatives, and the brigade CSM who supported it. CSM won, and now we have a fairly robust MACP program.
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    co is commanding officer, but what the hell is csm?
    stop using army leet speak plz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    the div csm?!

    divisonal....commanding.....sports?..m....

    what the hell does it mean?
    Division Command Sergeant Major.

    Division>Brigade>Battalion>Company>Platoon>Squad

    CSM>Sergeant Major>1st Sgt>Master Sgt>Sgt 1st Class>Staff Sgt>Sgt>Specialist>Private 1st class>Private

    Basically, the first Sergeant Major that didn't like combatives was told to STFU by his boss.

    If you'd like, I can tell the story with lolcats.
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    you army people are veerd.
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    "Army L33T speak." I fucking love that phrase, and I promise you I will be using it regularly. I'll be sure to credit the name Lebell.
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    i still dont understand properly, perhaps you should do it with olcats, good idea.

    as far as i understand it it went like this: the cms was like: zomg mcmap causes injuries, we must abort asap.
    gezere sez:dude im a lt you are a cms, stfu asap,how bout that?
    cms sez zomg telling the dco asap u may be lt but ur not my direct co.
  9. Lindz is online now

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    So uh LT outranks CSM but CSM outranks Colonel or Brig General? Head asplode
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army That should answer most of your questions (a tidy rank display is about halfway down the page).

    As far as a lieutenant outranking a csm, technically, yes, since the LT is an officer and the csm is enlisted; but that **** is never really pulled. A LT has been in maybe three/four years, while a csm will easily have 20+ years in, and the csm will be responsible for a lot more people.

    In Gezere's case, he wasn't ordering a CSM (or at least I pray he wasn't, but that may be my junior enlisted fear showing its face), but arguing with one.
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