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    I'm skeptical of just how accurately that article is portraying the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adouglasmhor View Post
    There is talk of going back to 7.62 nato for infantry in some roles.
    Hi mate.. I've handled that system myself and it will only be used as a sharpshooter and not in the IW role. I can't see us ever reverting back to 7.62 as an IW caliber considering the A3 version of our current weapon is imminent.

    It's a nice bit of kit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simio de las Rocas View Post
    Hi mate.. I've handled that system myself and it will only be used as a sharpshooter and not in the IW role. I can't see us ever reverting back to 7.62 as an IW caliber considering the A3 version of our current weapon is imminent.

    It's a nice bit of kit though.
    So I watched the military channel's top 10 rifles and with the M16 they said a big factor in it's adoption was that not only was the weapon lighter than the M14, but that soldiers could carry twice the ammo for the weight comparing 5.56 to 7.62. So as a soldier would you prefer to have say 150 rounds of 7.62 or 300 rounds of 5.56? I have no clue how much soldiers actually get issued so I am just tossing out examples.
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    In terms of normal scaling of 5.56 I carry 9 mags of 30 rounds plus 200 boxed as indivudal replen. I also have 3 spare mags of my own which are kept for 'close encounters'

    Anyway, thought people might find this amusing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...-messages.html

    Does anyone using the sight systems depicted in the article know anything about the serial numbers in question ? I find it all very amusing but equally pathetic that the media feel the need to highlight it as a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooded Justice View Post
    So as a soldier would you prefer to have say 150 rounds of 7.62 or 300 rounds of 5.56?
    Unfortunately it isn't quite as simple as the number of rounds carried.

    7.62mm would significantly heavier to carry in the volume required for the tactics used in the warfighting environments we're involved in. We've moved away from carrying the GPMG at section level because the system and its belt fed muntion is prohibitive to carry when soldiers are also carrying ECM, wearing body armour and carrying at least 6 Ltrs of water on top of all their own personal fighting order equipment which, before the weapon system is picked up, weighs up between 20 - 28kg !

    The nature of Dismounted Close Combat Tactics doesn't really require a larger caliber round at IW (individual weapon) level; this is why the sharpshooter system is being introduced giving the section designated sharpshooter the opportunity to more accurately engage/harass the enemy beyond the DCCT engagement which, believe it or not starts, at just 20mtrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simio de las Rocas View Post
    Very interesting technical stuff
    I don't mean to be a dick by saying this, but aren't you treading close to violating OPSEC by posting that?
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    You could probably find all of that in the militaries own publications and press releases if you really wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irie Evergreen View Post
    I don't mean to be a dick by saying this, but aren't you treading close to violating OPSEC by posting that?
    No. But I understand the point you make

    If I were to disclose the operational effectiveness of ECM and the frequency(s) it operates on then yeah, the distances involved in DCCT and the nature of the kit we carry is very much public knowledge - See Ross Kemp in Afghan for more information than you'd ever hope to gain from other public media sources.

    Trust me, I've worn a uniform in one guise or another since 1983 :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simio de las Rocas View Post
    In terms of normal scaling of 5.56 I carry 9 mags of 30 rounds plus 200 boxed as indivudal replen. I also have 3 spare mags of my own which are kept for 'close encounters'

    Anyway, thought people might find this amusing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...-messages.html

    Does anyone using the sight systems depicted in the article know anything about the serial numbers in question ? I find it all very amusing but equally pathetic that the media feel the need to highlight it as a problem.

    Dave
    It's something trijicon does with all sighting systems they sell regardless of the market it's sold to. it's something they have been doing for the past 6+ years
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