Posted On:6/19/2009 4:34pm
Style: Muay Thai
Originally Posted by War Wheel
Plus the clinch rules on the street.
I'll take your word for that. I live in New York, and I'd never want to get that close to these diseased bastards.
Regarding the original question, the IKF has the most complete and specific set of rules I've found in writing: http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesMT.htm
Posted On:6/19/2009 4:40pm
as far as i know, in NZ anyway, you can throw someone over your foot- i.e. posting your foot into the ground and twisting someone so they trip over it, or over your knee- just not over the hip, because then it counts as a hip throw.
theyre pretty fast and loose with the rules down here though. apparently backcracking is illegal too but i see it all the time.
Posted On:6/19/2009 10:46pm
Style: BJJ, MT
Same in Australia, i've seen full blown suplexes, hip throws, obvious foot trips (me) not even get a warning from the ref. Changes at the the high pro level but the amateur fights are very flexible with the rules.
I'm pretty sure spinning backfists are illegal too but you see them at least once a fight show. As long as the fight looks something like muay thai and the crowd likes it the refs don't seem to care.
Posted On:6/20/2009 12:05am
from talking with Cheetah and the other guys, anytime you use your leg it needs to be a knee-strike or a kick. It that means you trip them or even if you knee-lift them into a throw, it is ok if the knee was a hit. Basically, any kicking/kneeing sweep is fine even if you are holding onto their leg.
To specifically setup a throw, as in you clinch and then turn for a hip-toss, is illegal; but if your aggressive, striking actions cause the opponent to fall-fine.
Alot has to do with the sanctioning body and the ref's interpretation but the safest bet is that you do not use your foot to hook or reap against your opponent, you do not pick them up or execute any kind of loading of your opponent into a throw. If you punch them and then immediately follow with a low kick that is essentially a sweep-takedown that is fine, if you have them in a clinch and you are able to out-muscle them so that they fall/fly thru the air-very nice!
sorry if I went on...I've been trying to glean as much as I can on this exact subject.
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Posted On:6/20/2009 12:22am
Style: Muay Thai, No Gi Judo/Bjj
YouTube - Pajunsuk Highlight
Pajunsuk is a good example of muay thai style throws usually done with doubleunderhooks. Pulling them (not lifting) off balance, sometimes over your own leg, but never turned around like a full blown hip throw. I see instep style sweeps all the time in thai style fights as well, especially from Sanchai.
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Posted On:6/20/2009 12:24pm
Style: Novice Sub Grappler
I truly hope they liberalize these rules some day. It makes for a more entertaining fight, and better SD training.
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Posted On:6/20/2009 2:49pm
A lot of the smaller differences are based on sanctioning body and refs. I love MT clinch and used to get away with as much as I possibly could. Usually I could push it a lot farther under IKF rules than ISKA rules.
Posted On:6/21/2009 7:37am
I'm pretty sure spinning backfists are illegal too but you see them at least once a fight show
No, they're permitted in FTR, but not usually Mod Thai fights, although they're really more a kickboxing move than a MT one.
Yeah, in Oz some of the smaller shows you see refs let through some pretty questionable throws and sweeps AND judges giving fighters rounds for them too. In my experience, it's usually with the kickboxing refs/judges who still don't understand MT rules properly. Unfortunately, reffing and judging are pretty thankless, low-paying jobs, so you have to just deal with the fact that you'll often be fighting under the guise of some crappy officials and make the best of it.
Posted On:6/21/2009 4:27pm
Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD
It's surprising to me how difficult it has been for me to find MT throw instuctional clips on Youtube. Outside of throws being done in actual fights I haven't had any luck.
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