Matthew Morton

**joecos** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 5:04pm

I hate to be the bubble burster here, but I'm calling troll. Way too amateurish for a serious case of fraud. This is someone trying to get us to jump through hoops.

The question then becomes, since his "third leg" thread started this, is Zen of Anger in on the troll?

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 5:18pm

Originally Posted by joecos

I hate to be the bubble burster here, but I'm calling troll. Way too amateurish for a serious case of fraud. This is someone trying to get us to jump through hoops.

The question then becomes, since his "third leg" thread started this, is Zen of Anger in on the troll?

possability. Mr Morton's initial post was awful twitchy... sort of "hey i like you guys what your doing let me just say I have promoted judo, and I really like what you guys are doing yada, etc..."

And wouldn't more people sort of know of this guy? Yeah it might well be a troll set up for some site.

Still, I would like to hear a response from this guy before I make a judgement what bothers me is that we don't always control who hands us off a certificate. I know my certificates do not look particularly sterling in this regard, except for the Buj cert.... for whatever that is worth haha.

I would just like to hear what the guy has to say before declaring BS.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 5:30pm

Ain't no bubble to burst. Who wants a real fraud instead of a troll? Where did these images come from? Does he have a site, or did these images just get posted on some thread?

Edit: His intro thread has contact information for his school. Hello everyone - No BS Martial Arts

I called it. I talked to him. He answers "(something or other) Karate and Hapkido"

They do offer Judo.

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 7:12pm

Well....

It could be that he was "taken" by whom ever "certified" him.

We know the certificate is false. We do not know who falsified it.

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 7:54pm

Originally Posted by Mtripp

Well....

It could be that he was "taken" by whom ever "certified" him.

We know the certificate is false. We do not know who falsified it.

yes a possability.

Then there is the possability that there is an absurdity that one simply could not foretell. I mean frankly rather than think of all these possabilites might it be wiser to simply state the facts and let the person speak to them?

**markjudo** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 8:32pm

Originally Posted by 1point2

Sent to several email addresses from http://www.usja-judo.org/contactus/staff.htm

WW--it's possible that Roger came in for a seminar and promoted people studying at a satellite/affiliate school run by a 1st degree BJJBB (or purple/brown) under Roger.

Gene Fodor is the Advisor for the USJA, He is on the Committee
cisgan@aol.com is his E Mail

He can get you the information

:owneddanc

**RoninPimp** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 10:35pm

I'm pretty sure no American has earned his BB from the Roger Gracie school in London, England either.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 10:46pm

Can someone get Asriel on this thread?

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 6/18/2009 11:34pm

Originally Posted by Mtripp

Well....

It could be that he was "taken" by whom ever "certified" him.

Let's not drag the guys sex life into this.

But seriously, the cert is from Gracie Torrance, not some rank mill.

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 6/19/2009 6:09am

Hmmm.... I was hoping he posted his PM to me here.

His claim to me is that he took a course elsewhere, paid $200, and got ripped off.

I would hope that he would call Torrence himself and give them all the information on that, as if true, and I have no reason to think its not at this point, Rorion should sue someone doing that....

We will have to see what happens with the other certifications.