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  1. It is Fake is offline
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    Oh we haven't reached mocking levels. We have irons in the fire as soon as they cool it will really get bad. This is a few people blowing steam.


    @joe:

    You are in the military so, you can prove I'm wrong. I look at it this way I have a friend who missed Kosovo and Somalia. He is in a picture with his regiment they ended up fighting. He never fought or claimed to but, that picture was one they used to honor his crew.

    That's the way I look at all of his words and stories. "Hey that's me."

    My questions would be when was that picture taken, what were your exact duties, is that the actual rescue team or, photo op?

    I just see it as more vagueness on his part. That's if we believe that is him and the correct photo.
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    Yeah, I'm just spinning my wheels while we wait. If I get MABS-inappropriate and someone asks, I'll stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Wow. That is positively Clintonesque. I suppose there is an interpretation of the following quote where he does not actually claim direct involvement in the rescue, but it is a highly tortured one.
    Exactly. He is a liar who knows the type of trouble he can get into with true military vets.

    It is an easy out. Look at all of his claims he was very careful. The only one he admitted to being caught at was, the obvious BJJ fraud. He thought you couldn't get the Judo because, you left that one alone until later. So, he figured his card was good enough. That's why he laid into you about the judo claim.


    His question "Did you go into the Atlantic and pull dead people out?" has the direct implication that he did do it, in all but the most technical of senses.

    Is he lying? Depends on what your definition of "is" is.
    See that is the game. See you and joe aren't into semantics. You are looking at it in a purely analytical way like a math equation. If you look at the entire construction of that sentence, he flips between what he did and what others did. He then weaves them together so effectively, YOU THE READER draw the implication.

    He is a very good liar until, he came here. His BS worked on MAP, That other website found showed people glad to have another Judoka on their website. As we dig around, we will find other websites that probably swallowed this line of BS.

    He tells on himself in the post, I'll show you when I get back.

    To be clear, it is a lie. I'm not giving him a way out. What he is doing is a specific way of leaving an exit. When you do this on purpose you are lying. People don't set up "exits" when they tell the truth.
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    Goddamn it!

    I go to one meeting and the mocking starts!?!?!?!

    Stay on target and on topic!!!

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    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Oh we haven't reached mocking levels. We have irons in the fire as soon as they cool it will really get bad. This is a few people blowing steam.


    @joe:

    You are in the military so, you can prove I'm wrong. I look at it this way I have a friend who missed Kosovo and Somalia. He is in a picture with his regiment they ended up fighting. He never fought or claimed to but, that picture was one they used to honor his crew.

    That's the way I look at all of his words and stories. "Hey that's me."

    My questions would be when was that picture taken, what were your exact duties, is that the actual rescue team or, photo op?

    I just see it as more vagueness on his part. That's if we believe that is him and the correct photo.
    I also see it as vagueness on his part, I was trying to say that his claim is stronger, and thus more damaging to him. That picture in the book bears the caption, from Scott O'Grady, saying "Group portrait of the brave Marine unit that rescued me". To me that says he is claiming to be one of the actual rescuers, when all other evidence points elsewhere.

    Oh, and I haven't been on active duty for (gasp) 33 years.
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    The problem with this strategy is that if you use it more than once in a community (as he has done here) your credibility goes down the tube fast. Even if all of your 'exits' are within a normal person's tollerance for what is plausible, a whole stack of such 'exits' becomes unsustainable. Its a losing game that is really not designed to be used on more than one instance of getting caught.
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    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

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    Let me try.

    I survived the 9-11 attacks. Don't ask me if i was in the advanced comparative politics class that i was enrolled in that semester which met at 9 am on teusdays and thursdays. Dont ask if my university was in mississippi. Just hear me say i survived 9-11 and draw the conclusion i was at the world trade center that day.

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    yeah, normally i'd get a quote, but couldn't be bothered.
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    I survived the French nuclear pacific atoll test.

    I WIN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Exactly. He is a liar who knows the type of trouble he can get into with true military vets.
    Are you calling BS on the fact of his military service? Given his DD-214 and statement to WK, that would be seriousness of a criminal variety.
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    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoj View Post
    I survived the French nuclear pacific atoll test.

    I WIN!
    I survived the beating of Rodney King.
    Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
    Luta Livre flees the fight,
    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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