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  1. Sam Browning is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.m View Post
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    And that is cool. I am pissed about the Torrence cert. Damn
    Matt

    Now that it is established that the certificate is fake, to establish your story you need to provide us with the name of the person who "awarded" it to you, when this happened, and all the other details.

    Additionally you have not explained how you ended up with a certificate in BJJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoonDog View Post
    Somewhat of a noob question her for Judo rankings. Is it often that a person would get ranked by the USJA and the Japanese Kodokan seven years apart for the same rank? The USJA has him Nidan in 2000 and the Kodkan has him receiving a nidan in 2007. I am not implying he is a fake at Judo, since we have proof he is legit. I am just wondering if the kodokan certificate is faked as well or if it is legit. It all could have been a troll job and we got caught up in it.
    Well, the problem is the Kodokan really doesn't issue rank. Like everyone under the IJF, the NGB of a Country certifies rank. I believe that is the All Japan Judo Federation. At one time they were in the same building as the Kodokan, still may be, its been 30 years.

    You can join the Kodokan, and producing proof from a NGB of rank, your membership card will say what your rank is.

    At one time, the Kodokan was issuing papers from them, but again, you had to show your NGB paperwork, and then pay them. I do not know if this is still the case.

    I am sorry to be so vague, its just I really don't worry about the rank thing so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Well, the problem is the Kodokan really doesn't issue rank. Like everyone under the IJF, the NGB of a Country certifies rank. I believe that is the All Japan Judo Federation. At one time they were in the same building as the Kodokan, still may be, its been 30 years.

    You can join the Kodokan, and producing proof from a NGB of rank, your membership card will say what your rank is.

    At one time, the Kodokan was issuing papers from them, but again, you had to show your NGB paperwork, and then pay them. I do not know if this is still the case.

    I am sorry to be so vague, its just I really don't worry about the rank thing so much.
    Understood. Thanks. I didn't think it would be something easy. Also, your link worked just fine. You are not a dumb wrestler, just technology challenged at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Hope this works...

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    IMO squeeky clean

    Edit: Christ, you're 12 years older than me. Major props for continuing to train. I feel creaky and old most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning View Post
    Matt

    Now that it is established that the certificate is fake, to establish your story you need to provide us with the name of the person who "awarded" it to you, when this happened, and all the other details.

    Additionally you have not explained how you ended up with a certificate in BJJ.
    From my understanding:

    The inconsistencies shown in WW's investigations show that the image has been manipulated, they wouldn't show up if the image was of a certificate that had been physically altered.

    i.e. the scan has been altered, not a physical certificate itself. Given that, the "scammed" story doesn't sound very likely to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Lets see how I feel Sunday night after a weekend with the young bucks....
    Well at least your BJJ cert isn't fake...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze View Post
    From my understanding:

    The inconsistencies shown in WW's investigations show that the image has been manipulated, they wouldn't show up if the image was of a certificate that had been physically altered.

    i.e. the scan has been altered, not a physical certificate itself. Given that, the "scammed" story doesn't sound very likely to me.
    This is exactly right. If he had just printed it out and taken a photo of it, the modifications would have been impossible to detect using the method I used.

    Remember that for next time kiddies(!)

    Edit:
    they wouldn't show up if the image was of a certificate that had been physically altered
    Physically altered, or digitially altered and then printed out.
    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 6/19/2009 1:53pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Well at least your BJJ cert isn't fake...



    ...or signed by the wrong side of the family.
    Ok so compared to Tripp's certs the Judo certs look dona also....


    So my next question would be what is this guys actual rank in Judo? Why would he feel the need to forge a cert? Whats the motive here?

    I think this has been done very thoroughly, War Wheel kudos.



    To Matt:

    Why? What does it accomplish?

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