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    I dunno... ego? Money? Both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    I dunno... ego? Money? Both?
    Well, you're right of course. However, while I can sort of understand how someone with nothing to lose would do this, I cannot understand why someone who has achieved a real meaningful rank would be so foolish. The cost/benefit seems out of whack.

    People do dumb things.

    As unlikely as it seems, I hope there turns out to be an innocent explanation for this.
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    War Wheel.... likely you should do that to all the certs I posted.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    War Wheel.... likely you should do that to all the certs I posted.....
    MTripp could you answer the question I asked at post #89 It was not originally directed at anyone in particular, but you have the knowledge on this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    War Wheel.... likely you should do that to all the certs I posted.....
    Link to thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    I dunno... ego? Money? Both?
    the real damning evidence if i read you right is that vitually all the certs are doctored yes?

    Matt"s certs should be compared to other certs as a control... your conclusions now that Matt has responded make a lot more sense.

    There are a couple of possabilities:

    if the gracie cert is an aboration that would be better for Matt.

    if all the other judo certs you look at hold up like the one you posted... Mike T has volunteered his certs to check ... then that is really bad for Matt imo.

    Of course why would he forge those is another question and... is there a chance he didn't is another question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsimon3387 View Post
    Of course why would he forge those is another question and... is there a chance he didn't is another question.
    I believe those certs were found on another forum. Can someone point out the thread where they were posted? is there any record of Mr. Morton publicly saying, "Hey! Those aren't really mine!" -- before they were revealed as fakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsimon3387 View Post
    Matt"s certs should be compared to other certs as a control...
    I have done this several times (see posts 67,68,90) but I did neglect to do it in the case of the Torrance cert

    Here is Morton's cert enhanced again



    and here is the legit cert enhanced for a comparison. I also cropped and resized it so the scale would be roughly the same.



    Note that I have over enhanced the legit cert on the off chance that anything would jump out.


    your conclusions now that Matt has responded make a lot more sense.

    There are a couple of possabilities:

    if the gracie cert is an aboration that would be better for Matt.

    if all the other judo certs you look at hold up like the one you posted... Mike T has volunteered his certs to check ... then that is really bad for Matt imo.
    I'm going to scan a cert of my own to use as a true control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    I believe those certs were found on another forum. Can someone point out the thread where they were posted? is there any record of Mr. Morton publicly saying, "Hey! Those aren't really mine!" -- before they were revealed as fakes.
    Mr. Morton has not denied that they are his certificates. He posted them on Martial Talk; the link to that thread requires a Martial Talk login and was posted at least three times in this thread. They have since been taken down on Martial Talk, which makes me very proud that I suggested we mirror them on BS.net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2 View Post
    Mr. Morton has not denied that they are his certificates. He posted them on Martial Talk; the link to that thread requires a Martial Talk login and was posted at least three times in this thread. They have since been taken down on Martial Talk, which makes me very proud that I suggested we mirror them on BS.net.
    I say we should keep a copy of them so that we have proof of wrongdoing if this investigation is going to continue. WW is doing a fine job at showing which are fakes. I hope (and I think it was MTripp's intent) for him to do all the certs to see if all are fakes or if there is another explanation for them.

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