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  1. migo is offline

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    I'd go with considering kimura, americana, keylock etc. all ude garami as well. After all, there isn't any differentiation between inverted armbar and standard armbar. There's also no differentiation between arm in guillotine and head only guillotine.

    Unless we want to stick our collective minds together and watch every match from UFC 1-99, and every Pride etc. and report much more specifically how each match ended.
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    I just whipped up an interactive TreeMap visualization of how fights ended in Pride that includes KO/TKO, Decision and Submission victories (which represent about 1/3 each) further subdivided by category. If you play with it, make sure to hover over some of the boxes and try clicking down into sub-categories.

    I've only tested it with Firefox 3 and Safari 4. It'll probably fail if you're using Internet Explorer, but why would anyone do that?
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    Works fine in IE8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    I just whipped up an interactive TreeMap visualization of how fights ended in Pride that includes KO/TKO, Decision and Submission victories (which represent about 1/3 each) further subdivided by category. If you play with it, make sure to hover over some of the boxes and try clicking down into sub-categories.

    I've only tested it with Firefox 3 and Safari 4. It'll probably fail if you're using Internet Explorer, but why would anyone do that?
    Thats amazing, thanks.

    Mind if I link to it over on Sherdog? I crossposted my initial study there, lots of people have been asking for PRIDE numbers as well.
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    ...just wow. I wish I'd have followed this thread all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [Tycho?] View Post
    Thats amazing, thanks.
    Thanks, man.

    Quote Originally Posted by [Tycho?] View Post
    Mind if I link to it over on Sherdog? I crossposted my initial study there, lots of people have been asking for PRIDE numbers as well.
    I'd rather you wait a bit before spreading it around. My girlfriend told me: "you need to add fight details per sub; who could look at that without wanting to know what kind of punk would tap to a rape choke?" She has her usual correct, so I added fight info for rare subs yesterday & will change up the design to list all fights by finish sometime later this week. I'll make one for the UFC too.
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    Since I’m not allowed to +rep any more than I already have, I shall have to do some pushups in Jack’s honour once I get home from work.
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    I recommend making it an article once it's finished. Any help we can lend?

    Of course, then there's the question of maintainability. If only each fight league had an RSS feed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    Yeah, of course I ran one like that, but the dataset is so small that scaling by matches hurts as much as it helps. Having played with the data a bit, there's not much to be had in looking for temporal correlations.
    OK, I think a lot of us were interested in the question of sub popularity over time. If you can state for the record that you looked for this, and there was no trend worth reporting, then there is no reason to normalize it. Was that really the case? Even for keylocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    OK, I think a lot of us were interested in the question of sub popularity over time. If you can state for the record that you looked for this, and there was no trend worth reporting, then there is no reason to normalize it. Was that really the case? Even for keylocks?
    Just because you're a pal, I built a quickie stacked histogram with all values scaled by percentage of subs per year:


    (I didn't have time to fine tune it, so there's some white bleed where rounding errors screwed up my plot. Sorry.)

    It strikes me as a bit misleading, for example keylocks are 33% of submissions the first year, but there were only 2. As for trends, only the relatively late emergence of the triangle pops out at me, but -- again -- there were so few fights in the first couple of years that I don't find the data compelling.
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