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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw View Post
    see just how different they are in terms of fighters going for leglocks, gogoplatas, and otherwise lower percentage/unpopular in the US moves.
    Definitely more leglocks, but the only successful Gogoplata in Pride was the one Shinya Aoki used to finish Joachim Hansen.
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    Jack, those charts are all kinds of awesome. Any way you can show what the scales of measurement are for each axis? I'm assuming for Y it's a start/stop date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacker View Post
    Any way you can show what the scales of measurement are for each axis? I'm assuming for Y it's a start/stop date.
    The X axis is time, Y-axis is frequency of sub. Histogram buckets are one-year for both charts. These are nice to look at and give an idea of change in relative frequency over time, but I don't think they're the best way to understand the data. I'm going to make up some other charts when I get time, maybe over the weekend.
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    As I suspected, the "Strangle Choke" is what I know as a rape choke:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    The X axis is time, Y-axis is frequency of sub. Histogram buckets are one-year for both charts. These are nice to look at and give an idea of change in relative frequency over time, but I don't think they're the best way to understand the data. I'm going to make up some other charts when I get time, maybe over the weekend.
    Jack, I really dig your chart but may I suggest either
    (a) Normalizing the frequencies (ie: Dividing by the number total of matches for that year)

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    (b) Adding a line in a nice primary color (like red) that shows the total number of matches for each year.

    Right now the main point communicated by your graph is that the frequency and number of matches has grown, while it is difficult to see of a sub falls out of favor, or falls in frequency with the number of matches at a given point in time.

    Great work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    Right now the main point communicated by your graph is that the frequency and number of matches has grown, while it is difficult to see of a sub falls out of favor, or falls in frequency with the number of matches at a given point in time.
    That was my general issue too.
    Then again I'm a fan of boxplots (simple but informative) so what the hell do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    (a) Normalizing the frequencies (ie: Dividing by the number total of matches for that year)
    Yeah, of course I ran one like that, but the dataset is so small that scaling by matches hurts as much as it helps. Having played with the data a bit, there's not much to be had in looking for temporal correlations. OTOH, I did produce a TreeMap that divides subs into armlocks, chokes, leglocks and strikes, scaling sub and category by frequency over the history of Pride:


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    I'll add some color later. This is a static capture of an interactive Javascript version on my desktop. I'm thinking of putting it up as a web application that allows one to navigate through the subs with little mouse-over popups listing all the matches won via each sub, maybe do Dream, Pride and the UFC.
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    Why are you including strikes in with submissions?

    Other than that, cool visualization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwoww View Post
    Why are you including strikes in with submissions?
    Those are the cases where they're specifically listed as submission by (i.e. tapping to) strikes. There are separate categories for KO, TKO, &c, in the data, all of which are filtered out of these visualizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    There are separate categories for KO, TKO, &c, in the data
    I'm quite interested in this...worth a separate but similar thread?
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