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  1. DKJr is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSDaemon View Post
    Dustin Hazelett defeated Tamdan McCrory at UFC 91 by omoplata. Many places have it listed as an armbar. I would argue that it was much closer to an omoplata than armbar.
    Gonna disagree with you it was a reverse armbar, watch the video here (around 11:20-11:31)

    http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Dust...1?vid=10002150
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    Quote Originally Posted by [Tycho?] View Post
    I considered doing that, and still may. But it would only work for the top few submissions, and even then the graphs wouldn't be that enlightening. There is a lot of variation here. In a year where there are 50 submissions, a mere 5 subs counts for 10% of the total. Because the number of submissions isn't very high from a statistical point of view, a line graph would fluctuate very widely from event to event, and probably wouldn't show a clear trend. Graphing it vs time has a problem too, that since 2005 there have been far more events (and subs) in a year than years before that. A graph by time would be very erratic for the first 14 years, only becoming more stable in the past 3 or so.

    Which doesn't mean I won't do it, just for kicks.
    What about a line graph with 10 points, with each point on a particular line representing the number of wins with that particular submission in 10 events (UFC 1 through 100, 1st point being UFC 1 through 10, second point being UFC 11 through 20, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animosimony View Post
    What about a line graph with 10 points, with each point on a particular line representing the number of wins with that particular submission in 10 events (UFC 1 through 100, 1st point being UFC 1 through 10, second point being UFC 11 through 20, etc.).
    I believe the word you're searching for is "Histogram"
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr. View Post
    Gonna disagree with you it was a reverse armbar, watch the video here (around 11:20-11:31)

    http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Dust...1?vid=10002150
    Here is a gif of the (beautiful) finish:
    http://i38.tinypic.com/2l9sbpu.gif

    Its... hard to say. Not a regular armbar certainly, it does look like its attacking primarily the shoulder though. In this case I don't think I'll call it an omaplata simply because I'd have to be continually defending that assertion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [Tycho?] View Post
    Here is a gif of the (beautiful) finish:
    http://i38.tinypic.com/2l9sbpu.gif

    Its... hard to say. Not a regular armbar certainly, it does look like its attacking primarily the shoulder though. In this case I don't think I'll call it an omaplata simply because I'd have to be continually defending that assertion.
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    Great work Tycho!, you're creating a very sensible resource, but maybe you'll still end up having to watch every single fight... just to be SURE.

    By the way, do you have rough figures for TKOs and KOs in relation to subs - vs the total wins?
  7. Holy Moment is online now
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    If the results were abmigious (armlock), curious (forearm choke) or otherwise strange then I tried to find a closer look.
    I think in the old days they said it was a submission by forearm choke if the guy who won just put his forearm across the other guy's throat and put all his weight on it. I think Brian Johnston in the old UFC lost twice in this manner, to Ken Shamrock and Dan Bobish (Although on Sherdog, Bobish's victory is listed as a TKO).
  8. [Tycho?] is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Rooster View Post
    Great work Tycho!, you're creating a very sensible resource, but maybe you'll still end up having to watch every single fight... just to be SURE.

    By the way, do you have rough figures for TKOs and KOs in relation to subs - vs the total wins?
    No, I was immediately curious when I started going over the numbers, but it was beyond the scope of my study; I wanted to get this thing finished. Perhaps a future project.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Moment
    I think in the old days they said it was a submission by forearm choke if the guy who won just put his forearm across the other guy's throat and put all his weight on it. I think Brian Johnston in the old UFC lost twice in this manner, to Ken Shamrock and Dan Bobish (Although on Sherdog, Bobish's victory is listed as a TKO).
    Yup. I originally thought this was just a way of meaning rear naked or a guillotine choke, but I watched a fight where the guy actually did tap to the leaning forearm. I was pretty surprised, I didn't think anyone would tap to something like that, but I guess I'm used to the newer stuff. I have a hard time listing this as a "real" submission though, as anyone competent on the ground would not be caught by something like this unless they were already half-dead.
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    Hey Tycho, if you put your data up somewhere public -- a shared Google Spreadsheet, for example -- I'll whip up some pretty visualizations for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    Hey Tycho, if you put your data up somewhere public -- a shared Google Spreadsheet, for example -- I'll whip up some pretty visualizations for you.
    Beat you to it, its linked to in the OP.
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