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  1. Matt Phillips is online now
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    NOTE TO SELF - MOAR GRAPPLE - GET A NORMAL HAIR CUT - REPEAT

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    Kids MMA, rules, head gear, etc.

    I'd like to get as much input from the BS community as possible without making a mess on KK's My First Fight thread.

    I would like to propose a set of rules for mixed matches involving young kids (under 13) and young teens (13-15 or 13-16) that address the issue of grappling and head gear that have come up in other debates about ammy MMA competition, and the broader issue of the younger group grappling for subs.

    Floating an initial suggestion:

    For the younger group (? - 13)

    Matches consist of 2 2-minute rounds with a 1 minute break between rounds.

    The first round is fought with boxing head gear:
    * No knees or elbows are allowed.
    * Throws and takedowns are allowed, but no groundfighting of any kind is permitted.

    The second round is fought without head gear:
    * No head strikes of any kind.
    * No knees or elbows are allowed.
    * Throws and takedowns are allowed, and grappling for a pin is allowed.
    * No submision holds of any kind.

    For the older group (13-15 or 16)

    Matches consist of 2 2-minute rounds with a 1 minute break between rounds.

    The first round is fought with boxing head gear:
    * No knees to the head or any elbow-strikes are allowed.
    * Throws and takedowns are allowed, but no groundfighting of any kind is permitted.

    The second round is fought without head gear:
    * No head strikes of any kind are allowed
    * No elbows are allowed.
    * Knees to the body are permitted
    * Throws and takedowns are allowed, and grappling for upperbody submission is permitted.
    * No lower-body submissions are allowed.

    Scoring should be done exactly as it would be for older fighters under full rules at the event in question, with no fixed point awards for any specific techniques.

    Your thoughts on this are much appreciated.
    Last edited by Matt Phillips; 6/10/2009 3:34pm at .
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    i'd rather my (hypothetical) 10 year old son get choked than get punched in the head
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    You might want to take a look at how combat sambo handles it.
  4. Matt Phillips is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    You might want to take a look at how combat sambo handles it.
    Do you have a link?
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    I think it should be 9-12, heelhooks and headkicks only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesperus View Post
    I think it should be 9-12, heelhooks and headkicks only.
    how about doing the first round as alternating head kicks and the second round with playing "mercy" with heel hooks. whoever lasts the longest combined time wins!
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    yeah, normally i'd get a quote, but couldn't be bothered.
  7. Matt Phillips is online now
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    lol. Real suggestions please. Future of the sport, safety of the next generation and all.
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    My only comment is that it might be tough for kids to remember the rules for that specific round. Especially if they're tired and frustrated. If somebody throws a head strike (or just misses and strikes the chin) their opponent won't be wearing headgear and then you could have a problem.

    You could do 1 round with pure kickboxing, with full sized boxing gloves, head gear and shinpads. Between rounds lose the protection and gloves and do pure grappling in the second. It would only take a second for the corner to cut the wraps off. Grappling with gloves and shinpads is tough anyway. (Whatever rules about limited strikes/submissions you want.)

    Groundfighting or GnP is a tough issue for me. Even a strike to the body from a mount can be vicious. The ref would have to be ultra-conservative when deciding if a kid is defending themselves and when to stop a fight. I'd say lose groundfighting altogether.

    It loses some of its MMA/UFC appeal but they have plenty of time for that if they want to go ammy.
    Last edited by willieo; 6/10/2009 6:29pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by willieo View Post
    My only comment is that it might be tough for kids to remember the rules for that specific round. Especially if they're tired and frustrated. If somebody throws a head strike (or just misses and strikes the chin) their opponent won't be wearing headgear and then you could have a problem.

    You could do 1 round with pure kickboxing, with full sized boxing gloves, head gear and shinpads. Between rounds lose the protection and gloves and do pure grappling in the second. It would only take a second for the corner to cut the wraps off. Grappling with gloves and shinpads is tough anyway. (Whatever rules about limited strikes/submissions you want.)

    Groundfighting or GnP is a tough issue for me. Even a strike to the body from a mount can be vicious. The ref would have to be ultra-conservative when deciding if a kid is defending themselves and when to stop a fight. I'd say lose groundfighting altogether.

    It loses some of its MMA/UFC appeal but they have plenty of time for that if they want to go ammy.
    No gnp in any circumstance.

    I don't think its too hard to remember the "no head shots" rule when you're looking at someone's unprotected head. Maybe you're right though.

    The reason for the gear on in the second phase is that there is no harm in it and the experience training and competing with the gear on is relevant to more advanced competition. It was training grappling without the mma on gear that got my kid choked unconscious by his headgear, not that I'm proposing grappling with headgear(!)

    Also, its a lot simpler to just remove the headgear than strip off all the pads.

    Does that make sense?
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    I don't really see the benefit in having this as two rounds of one match rather than separate events or tournaments.
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