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  1. A.M. is offline

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    All warriors would have carried a large dagger or knife of some sort. Is there any body with any info on Viking daggers? I have a feeling they might resemble a Saxon sax knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.M. View Post
    All warriors would have carried a large dagger or knife of some sort. Is there any body with any info on Viking daggers? I have a feeling they might resemble a Saxon sax knife.
    that is the best i have on the topic
    http://www.hurstwic.org/history/arti...viking_sax.htm
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    Hey this is Thrand Check out my videos on you tube about Spike TVs Viking vs Samurai on deadliest warrior

    Spike TV Deadliest Warrior Said vikings where stupid and unskilled warriors lets send them an email that we are going to boycott there show and advertisers as well if the come out with a video game until they take that back and redo that episode historically and politically correct not to offend any ones ancestors :P

    Also Thrand's videos on youtube (Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 1, 2 and 3 also there is a fighting bonus video)

    YouTube - Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's Aftermath Part 1
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    YouTube - Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 3
    YouTube - Viking vs. Samurai :Thrand's Fighting and bonus Video

    also http://www.hurstwic.org/history/text/history.htm is a great site to show inaccuracies in show.

    and love this video
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    The svinfylking formation is well-established, but I was thinking more in terms of how/whether the shields were interlocked in various ways, etc.

    On the topic of swords, yes, nobles were more likely to be able to afford them, but the ownership of swords was not restricted to the nobility by custom.
    Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't the wedge-shaped formation in and of itself exclude any uniform use of interlocked shields unless you had a helluva lot of lefties in your army?

    The Hoplites advanced in a line slanting to the right to atone for this problem.

    As the Svinefylking was an offensive rather than a defensive formation it would've been hella hard to maintain any semblance of order with interloking on the advance, especially in a charge which the formation was custom made for, wouldn't it?

    As for swords in Viking combat the Sagas were written 3-400 years later than the events they describe in an age where the technological advances had made swords more common and mostly focus on nobles, kings and wealthy landowners who are much more prone to being able to afford them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willaume View Post
    ...They were basically pattern welded, basically it is the same concept as a Japanese blade the difference being that Japanese did use differential tempering and the European sword used forge welding. Regardless both use folded steel; hence the expensive as it is time and resource consuming...
    Yes, there isn't any evidence the northern European bladesmiths used differential quenching, although we can't rule it out. A single-edged sword (all? Japanese, less than 10% northern European viking-period) is easier to quench differentially than a two-edged sword, maybe that was one reason. If differential quenching (layering the unquenched blade with various clay coatings to get a quicker or slower quench down from bright red over different parts of the blade) was used for 'viking' (hate that) blades we cannot tell simply because at least eight hundred years has gone and the surface condition of remaining blades isn't condusive to polishing to bring out the hamon or other evidence and compare with the much much less ancient Japanese examples still retaining their polish.

    Quote Originally Posted by willaume View Post
    ...and the European sword used forge welding.
    That isn't a difference, that's a necessary process in all pattern-welding, both the simple Japanese stuff and the advanced northern European artistic stuff.
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    7/06/2009 7:02am

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    the swine fromatation

    No the viking shield was held by a center boss(umbo) not strapped to the arm the same way as the hopilte shield was so there is no need to make a slant to right and you don't need lefties since shield can be switched side to side.The viking shield wall was composed of 3' shields held in center so you could over lap a full half way on both sides making a dense wall.


    Yes sword making skill got handed down to the vikings and it was pattern welding. some early swords had only one edge but later centery during viking era double edged long swords where the standard. Yes the sax or seax was the dagger style and some as large as short swords have been found so anywhare from 6" to 2'.long swords where 30" to 38" long and arouns 2 1/2 lbs to about 4lbs.

    heres a good site on all questions you have brought up.

    http://www.hurstwic.org/history/arti...viking_sax.htm
    http://www.hurstwic.org/history/arti..._technique.htm
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    7/15/2009 9:47pm


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    But wouldn't you prefer to wield the weapon in your strong arm and the shield in the weak anyhow?
    Would warriors really change their weapons to their weak hand just to suit a formation?
    And how do you maintain a shield-locking formation in a charge anyway?

    Excuse my ignorance. I'm just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 265lbsfist View Post
    But wouldn't you prefer to wield the weapon in your strong arm and the shield in the weak anyhow?
    Would warriors really change their weapons to their weak hand just to suit a formation?
    And how do you maintain a shield-locking formation in a charge anyway?

    Excuse my ignorance. I'm just curious.
    1) While you are using swords and shiels you have NO WEAKER ARM :-). But most of the viking warriors had not carried a sword. It was quite rare and expensive weapon. Most usual weapon has been one handed axe on a long shaft (to slash over the shieldwall). But I see it quite unlikely to swich weapons just to suit formation.

    2) Even the charge can be hold in formation. Wedge formation is based on culminating the strenght of all the rushing men to the first row (usually two warriors). The wedge is fu*king overcrowded thing!!! Or else you can "Go for impact!". This means that you still holds the shieldwall and are marching slowly until you impact the enemy. Or else you can send them loosely charging the enemy but it is very dangerous.

    But these formations are maybe later period but I think that there is nothing as Dark Age and people has never been as stupid as nowadays.
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