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  1. Lebell is offline
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    i disagree.

    isnt the good not always the right?
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    stand up grappling, throws and dirty boxing sounds about right. During moving push hands it is also fun to add the defensive lineman drills I learned. Nothing like taking a guy trying to do some fancy technique and knocking him and his center line back a few feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    i disagree.

    isnt the good not always the right?
    You got a double negative going on so, I can't really answer this question.
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    You got a double negative going on so, I can't really answer this question.
    it was kind of rhetorical.

    you do realise i dont need any advice when it comes to cma's right?

    :-p
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    Yeah you do.

    Everyone does.
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    nu-uh.

    i discovered that as soon as you incorporate special breathing excercises with the help of a bong your insights become really groovy.
    like when i do form i can see my hands move in slomo and its almost like i can see my chi.
    awesome.

    on a different note: i only remember 3 to 4 forms from my kungfutiem and some passages from the 24 form.
    it was funny how the tai chi classes often had completely different type of people then the clf or sanda classes.

    i was one of the few to do the whole range.
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    Sorry if I missed anything on pages 2 to 4 but the way I see it chi is just an unfortunately mystical way of saying synergy in your movements.

    Anyway, it seems I'm a bit late to this party so a quick summary of how I understand pushing hands.

    Never done any fancy technique in pushing hands But i did spend about 2 years of boring boring night shifts comparing the 8 jin/8 trigrams as interpreted in the wudang style to the commentaries in the I ching translation by Richard Wilhelm. It helps to understand change to understand when is best to apply each idea as a reaction.

    I might be going nowhere on that tangent but it's helped me understand the culture a bit more.

    I find the whole pushing hands is great for developing listening. Imagine someone pushing with just the arm and feeling the difference between that and pushing with the arm, waist and legs. I just use pushing hands to develop that, been a while ago (bout 3 years, nowhere near that good now) but I remember the first time pushing hands when I could feel through just the hands the other guy tensing and relaxing muscles in his legs.
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    Lebell, the way I was taught Tai Chi the hand form was pretty much like a built-in yoga or pilates type routine we did at the end of a class to cool down, and something we could practice alone for gentle stretching and strengthening of the legs and back. All the martial applications were done fast.

    The form is a gentle exercise routine based on the applications. Some people see the health benefits of that part and try and make the whole martial art about that. Because it does have some health benefits and, well, it's a lot less painful and frustrating than all those conditioning exercises and hitting each other.

    Eventually, either because they're lying to protect their business interests or because they're deluding themselves, or because their earnest people who were taught this way themselves, they start talking nonsense about this being the right way to learn Tai Chi, and yes it doesn't look like fighting but this is an ancient Chinese way of learning and it takes decades.

    That's it. That's why people think Tai Chi is what most people think it is. But it isn't like that, not really.
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