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  1. rainfall is offline

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    Hmmm.... I think having distinguishing terms is nice, but my guess is that they are used interchangeably. If you try to distinguish, it may lead to miscommunications with people that don't. In fact, this just came up the other day at my school. I think talking about air or blood supply will always be more clear, or at least getting everyone on the same page first.

    Technically, most chokes/strangles done with the arms can be changed between blood supply and air supply simply by repositioning the arm-elbow-shoulder. So again, do you rename the entire technique due to a slight positioning adjustment?

    I have been told for years that the 'air-supply' attacks can do damage inside of your throat, but am not interested in finding out through experience if it is true or not. ;) However, looking at it this way, cramming a bone against your throat which is only protected by soft tissue, it doesn't seem far fetched to say that the trachea could be damaged.
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    > It also says that it is not as bad as a boxing KO but does not say safe.
    From the article:
    Choking in Judo is safe because since the advent of Judo statistics show no fatality attributed to the shime-waza. Moreover, scientific studies on choking reveal no deleterious after effects.
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    Now, is this a choke or a strangle ?
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    "Choking in Judo is safe because since the advent of Judo statistics show no fatality attributed to the shime-waza. Moreover, scientific studies on choking reveal no deleterious after effects. "

    Is this a air attack or blood , also this is in a sport context were once applied the person taps . They say very few have gone to black out the info is tsill over forty years old and more than likly modern medical info will frown on blood flow being interuppted.
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    > Now, is this a choke or a strangle ?

    Judging from the angle of the shin and the position of the arm - probably neither ;-)
    But triangles have always felt a lot more like strangles than chokes to me, and the way the are set up, they put a lot of pressure on the sides of the neck rather than the trachea.

    Kempocos: yeah, it's important to think about what could happen, but it's more important to identify and deal with the things that do in fact happen on a regular basis. I agree that a continued stop of blood flow to the brain is a bad thing, though ;-)
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    "Kempocos: yeah, it's important to think about what could happen, but it's more important to identify and deal with the things that do in fact happen on a regular basis"

    This statement is very true.
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    > Is this a air attack or blood ,
    from what I understood, apart from the rear naked, they only used strangles/ blood attacks in the studies.

    > also this is in a sport context were once applied the person taps .
    in the studies, no. In everyday sports competitions, yes.

    > more than likly modern medical info will frown on blood flow being interuppted.
    they would "frown on" just about anything martial artists routinely do to each other. The question is, is it really dangerous? And until more evidence comes in, I won't comment on that.
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    Originally posted by Osiris
    The RNC is a STRANGLE.

    actually it can be both dependign on the position of the hands

    choke-

    http://www.judoinfo.com/hadaka.jpg


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    http://bjj.org/techniques/jen/tech8a/
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    In the "Is it a choke or a strangle" debate most people focus on the blood vs air thing, which is okay. From reading pathology references I've seen it seems the term "strangle" is used whenever something surrounds the neck and cuts of air or blood, while "choke" is used when something is lodged inside the airway.

    So if you look at it that way, all martial arts chokes/strangles are strangles and the only way to choke someone is to ram your fist down their throat.
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    Yep, I am all for trying to ram my fist down someone throat, I'll try it tonight and let you know tomorrow.
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